re: Explain how a win is a win, but a win is not a win

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Eh I wouldn't go there because you could say the same thing about a few LSU games

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Isn't that what this thread is about? The bias at ESPN with their agenda to control how teams look to the other voters. They talk and say things as a joke today and tommorrow they come back and say them as fact.

They resent the fact they have no say so into the BCS as it is set up. That is why the AP poll pulled out back in 2003 because their beloved USC and the team they said that was the hottest going into the final week in Georgia. They wanted USC and Georgia to play for the NC and so when LSU jumped from 7th to 2nd in the last BCS poll that setup the BCS NCG with Oklahoma the AP pulled out of the BCS mix. EWver since they have tried their best to throw a monkey wrench into the BCS rankings to meet their agenda. So yes they have an agenda this year and it is to make sure LSU does not get into the BCS NCG at all costs.

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If Florida was the only game then yea, I still think media would harp on the "bounce" and what not.

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see, I think they wouldn't. At least they wouldn't act as if we didn't deserve to win. But since the bounce was but one event in a string of close wins, it strengthens their perception that LSU is worse than its record indicates.

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2003 should have been LSU vs USC

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tduecen

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..You are arse...

The people who critize LSU for these bad plays are probably the ones loving LSU a few years ago when it was the norm. LM has the craziest plays ever, and the only reason people complain about them is because the score is close. No one says anything about the trick plays BSU runs, but that's because they have a e-boner for them.

Don't blame LSU for DD being to stupid to playing 13 players.

Don't blame LSU for UM being to stupid to know the fake FG was coming.

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1. Espn would like the BCS to experience issues regarding the MNC game. IT gives the talking heads ammo and it's good for ratings.

2. Espn and the rest of the media that is not in the gulf states would love the Traditional powers of decades ago to dominate Why I don't know.

3. Espn has several gumps in it's employment. And Les made one their own look like a fool.

4. Espn hates LSU. It's real. It's not their motivation but rather an enjoyed bi product of their agenda. (ratings)

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1. Very true...ESPN is a business first, and as such, they are motivated by advertising dollars. Even if this means creating sports news as opposed to simply reporting sports news.

2. I have noticed this as well. I tend to think it stems from where most of them attended college themselves and that they tend to pull for their alma mater or at the least the conference they were a part of. It's one of the drawbacks of having reporters who were once athletes covering the news.

3. True again. We'll continue hear smart-arse comments from Herbie about LSU until CLM retires or moves on to another school. He has a bad taste in his mouth for the SEC after loosing to UGA in the early 90's (I think it was the Citrus Bowl or some similar bowl game). In my opinion, he's too Buckeye-centric to objectively cover Ohio State sports news or call their games. Much as I am too LSU-centric to do the same for LSU stories or call their games.

4. I wouldn't say they "hate" us. But, yeah we do tend to screw up their seemingly "preferred" flow of each football season. IE: we don't beat an SEC team that they were depending on us to defeat (such as 2009 'Bama), or we have the strength of schedule to loose two games and still be in the NC game, etc. Although fans from other teams may claim that they don't feel the love from ESPN either, ESPN and to some extent CBS too seem to be particularly hypocritical on this "win is a win" point regarding LSU...

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They resent the fact they have no say so into the BCS as it is set up. That is why the AP poll pulled out back in 2003 because their beloved USC and the team they said that was the hottest going into the final week in Georgia. They wanted USC and Georgia to play for the NC and so when LSU jumped from 7th to 2nd in the last BCS poll that setup the BCS NCG with Oklahoma the AP pulled out of the BCS mix.

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I think you just combined the 2003 and 2007 seasons into one somehow.

Do I think our schedule and ability to get the job done be given more credit among the talking heads at ESPN, sports talk radio, etc?? Of course. However, a lot of you are missing a key point...If we handle our business against Auburn this is all moot.

We had a chance to control our own destiny on the field where it should be settled. Soooo...I refuse to whine about it until Auburn loses TWICE. Then do I think a one loss LSU team deserve to go to the BCS title game?? Absolutely. But a one-loss Auburn team deserves to go over a one-loss LSU team. Why? They beat us on the field.

Now...TCU and Boise? They don't deserve to be in the discussion. They haven't had to bring it week and week out.

Bottom line...if we beat Auburn we are sitting at #2 right now.

One thing that I noticed is that years ago, being undefeated with a cupcake schedule got you no where (even when margin of victory was a factor). Now, when style points are not supposed to factor in, beating up on cupcakes is your best bet to get to the NC.

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does not compute.

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Try to follow.

We are discussing football recruiting. Thus, inherent in this discussion is the idea that these recruits are people who play football and excel to such a degree that they are suspected of having the talent and the ability to play at the college level.

While Louisiana is the 22nd most populated state overall, it normally falls in the top 6-8 for number of quality recruits.

We'll assume for this exercise that "quality" recruit means a 3* and up.

In 2011, despite being #22 in total population, Louisiana is #8 in the number of quality recruits produced. The break down is as follows:

1) Texas - 261
2) Florida - 223
3) California - 179
4) Georgia - 128
5) Ohio - 81
6) North Carolina - 54
7) Alabama - 53
8) Louisiana - 51

So Louisiana's "total population is irrelevant" when judging the shear number of prospects the state produces.

Louisiana falls in the top 10 states of recruit production and is the only state to have a single premiere program within its borders - LSU. Therefore, LSU has a natural recruiting advantage over other programs.

The pro per capita statistic just reinforces the fact that state produces more recruits than would be expected given its total population.

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There is one major Div. I program within 300 miles of LSU.

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Would that be State, Ole Miss, Alabama or A&M?

How about all 4.

That kills your whole credibility right there.

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ETA: Comparing Georgia Tech and UCLA to Tulane kills your credibility.

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I was thinking more in terms of entrance requirements. I'm pretty sure Tech has higher standards than UGA.

But the whole point I was debunking was the One Major School IN STATE theory.

LSU just doesn't have as many in-state blue chippers to land than UGA and Tech have to split between the two of them.

I bet UGA gets just as many if not more players from Georgia than LSU gets from Louisiana.