re: Excitement Level Now vs 2012-2016

And nobody in this thread is even crying about the O hire... All i've done is point out that the point production under Ensminger was similar to what it was under Cameron, which has not much to do with O at this point since Ensminger won't even be the offensive coordinator anymore.

It just goes to show you how defensive and fragile some of these people are.

Ok loser. You are correct. Cam and Les put a good offensive product on the field.

I could "torpedo" your dumbass statements by pointing out how much more em and O scored against a particular team, but like your dumbass argument, it wouldn't matter because not near enough data on em and O compared to Les and cam, to draw any kind of reasonable conclusions. If you aren't smart enough to see the difference in offense this past year, from the first 4 games, to the last 8...WITH THE SAME PLAYERS...then bless your heart

2016 Les and cam= 21 ppg

2016 O and em = 32 ppg

32 ppg including zero against bama....

Same players.

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LSU under Cameron (42 games): 31 ppg LSU under Ensminger (8 games): 32 ppg

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And for the record, LSU averaged 22.3 ppg in those 4 games with Cameron in 2016. Not a big difference but it makes me question why you said 21. Don't skew numbers to help further your argument... that's a bitch move.

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I'm not sure the accuracy of the numbers, but given the same team, the offense averaged 16.75/game the first four.

Wisconsin- 14 total, 7 via pick 6
JSU-34 total, 7 via punt return
MSU- 23 total
Auburn -13 total, 3 from a fumble recovered at 16 (do we credit offense for not being able to score from the 16?)

That's bad. Real bad.

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Ensminger wasn't some kind of offense whisperer contrary to what some people are willing to tell you.

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I would agree, but it seemed much improved. That may be subjective and would require a real deep dive that I'm not willing to do in order to prove it, but the first 4 games were so disheartening.

People seem to forget that O has yet to prove since his failure at Ole Miss that he can run a program. He does okay at running someone else's but now that he has to take ownership it is conplerely different and we are seeing some issues with that in recruiting already.

The O hire is exactly a copy of the Johnny Jones hire. It was hiring a guy with a mediocre to bad history that has some connection to he state or school. We saw how it turned out for Jones. I don't expect much different from Orgeron.

The flaw in the hiring great coordinators plan to cover what O clearly lacks is a self-inducing failure of a plan. If his coordinators as successful, they will bolt very quickly. That requires you to have to keep hitting on hires with no continuity. That's also going to start weighing on the position coaches you likely aren't promoting that will start to bail.

It will start happening, but between Miles and Alleva, LSU sports in general has lost a lot of fans devout passion. People just aren't as invested anymore like they used to be.

In the end, this hire of O should get Alleva fired, but sadly likely won't since he's convinced the LSU fanbase their run is over.

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The flaw in the hiring great coordinators plan to cover what O clearly lacks is a self-inducing failure of a plan. If his coordinators as successful, they will bolt very quickly. That requires you to have to keep hitting on hires with no continuity. That's also going to start weighing on the position coaches you likely aren't promoting that will start to bail.

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Well because we hired O (and how much he makes per year), a narrative that was going around the fanbase is that there should be money in place to hire the best available coordinators. I, of course understand that even with this perceived advantage, it's still possible to run into a bad coordinator.

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In the end, this hire of O should get Alleva fired, but sadly likely won't since he's convinced the LSU fanbase their run is over.

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Revisit the press conference when O was hired. Alleva literally said that part of the reason for the O hire was continuity, which implied that we are still close to competing for titles, but simply needed a new face leading the way.

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I'm by no means advocating that Cameron and Les shouldn't have been fired after a 2-2 start in 2016, all I've said from the beginning is that Ensminger wasn't some kind of offensive whisperer contrary to what some people are willing to tell you.

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They definitely deserved to be fired after the crummy start last year, and I think it should have happened after the 2015 season, but I think another factor in the difference between Les and Cam's offense and O's and Ensminger's offense is the fact that Etling had knocked the rust off his game after going damn near two full years without any live game experience.

Just my take on it for what its worth.

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I didn't say O is or isn't the answer.

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Come on. When you were making your assessment that Les needed to go, did you at anytime think it didn't matter who the replacement would be?

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whole program would've continued to suffer

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Between 2013-2015 LSU ranked second in the SEC in all games winning percentage to only Alabama. Lets not pretend LSU was on the verge of dropping off the college football map.

Banned? For what? Calling you a dumbass? Seriously, if that were the case, there would be very few on this site. Ironic I'm the one defending the coaches and Lsu program, while you and your little buddies bash both on a daily basis. Simply because I don't jump into your misery party.