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re: Etling is better than most think
Posted on 10/31/17 at 4:50 pm to the_watcher
Posted on 10/31/17 at 4:50 pm to the_watcher
Lol I don’t up or downvote post you moron and I haven’t edited all of my post but lying and harping on meaningless things is what petty losers like you do. And no the stats prove exactly the opposite. Passer rating is how QBs are judged because other stats tend to be relative and passer rating takes all passing stats into account.
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:48 pm to Madking
If you watched the Texans vs Seahawks you got to see Watson vs Wilson in a classic.
Passer Rating is obsolete in many ways, especially for DTQBs because it does not take into account Rushing Yardage and TDs, or whether an incompletion or interception is the QB's fault or the Receiver's.
Most common football metrics emerged in a relatively unsophisticated era of statistical understanding of the game.
It's hard to get really meaningful depth from statistics without painfully charting the context of each play (i.e. 19 yards on 3rd and 25 is way less significant an achievement than a 5 yard-pass on 3rd and 4.)
Raw yardage and simple measures are just easier to record and also simpler to convey. Most measures of accumulated yardage have a high fudge factor in terms of relevance to game conditions and so the inclusion of a receiver's YAC yards is just another drop in the bucket in terms of independent variables that may skew measurement.
In other words, I doubt many people who lean heavily on such hazy stats really care that they're prone to such skewing factors as WR performance.
QBR breaks down every play, down and distance, O-Line, QB Rushing Yds/TDs, home or away, ranked vs unranked, weather, injuries, game control, garbage time, Conference vs OOC, every significant variable.
Passer Rating is obsolete in many ways, especially for DTQBs because it does not take into account Rushing Yardage and TDs, or whether an incompletion or interception is the QB's fault or the Receiver's.
Most common football metrics emerged in a relatively unsophisticated era of statistical understanding of the game.
It's hard to get really meaningful depth from statistics without painfully charting the context of each play (i.e. 19 yards on 3rd and 25 is way less significant an achievement than a 5 yard-pass on 3rd and 4.)
Raw yardage and simple measures are just easier to record and also simpler to convey. Most measures of accumulated yardage have a high fudge factor in terms of relevance to game conditions and so the inclusion of a receiver's YAC yards is just another drop in the bucket in terms of independent variables that may skew measurement.
In other words, I doubt many people who lean heavily on such hazy stats really care that they're prone to such skewing factors as WR performance.
QBR breaks down every play, down and distance, O-Line, QB Rushing Yds/TDs, home or away, ranked vs unranked, weather, injuries, game control, garbage time, Conference vs OOC, every significant variable.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:59 pm to the_watcher
Response to MadKing & Clarification of Etling's 2013 & 2014 seasons-
Saban has been building the perfect beast, with the largest support staff in the country along with Clemson, OSU, UT. Oeaux and Alleva are totally against this new analytical arms race, naturally, they want to pinch pennies. ALA has nearly doubled in size and enrollment since Saban's hiring. He is underpaid at 11 million. Still that was not enough to stop Deshaun Watson from running 96 plays and posting 31 1st downs in the last two NC games. Clemson should have won both. Meanwhile, we go scoreless, struggling to get a first down. The game has changed and even Oeaux is singing Hurts praises as the best, and getting better. It is Reality, not negativity.
Etling came here after being benched as a Soph at Purdue going 2-10 in 12 starts, over 2 seasons, with a total 16 TDs and 12 INTs:
He was 0-7 as a FR with 10 TDs and 7 Ints. He was one first down away from an 0-11 season.
Etling is the only QB not to score any pts vs ALA since the 21-0 NC loss. He got the job 'by default' because Miles needed a Scapegoat after failing to change the Offense and losing OTR to WISC.
You have moments of levity when you realize an opposing view is not an attack. You admit your mistakes: when I posted SEC stats as did Lonnie4LSU, when you learned that "Pass Play" distance is NOT pass distance you admitted to 'screwing the pooch'. You put a premium on Ints and Rating in this thread. And you say Etling does not do well under pressure. Since when did we have an O-Line that could pass protect? In 2013 Geoffrey Pagan said "We are going to step on your necks, break your will, and send in the subs". He knocked Mett out of the game on 4 consecutive sacks. Harris faced pressure on over 50% of his dropbacks yet he completed over 73%. ALA sacked him 5 times and Cyrus Jones injured him on the 40 yd TD to Dural. Hernia, shoulder, knee, and ankle by the end of that game. Saban went to the middle of the field with Derrick Henry in tow and said " “I always get a good feeling in a game when they run that first zone extra, and they don’t get anything. That’s when the nose guard flatheads the center, and they knock their guy back and the linebacker fills. That’s their bread and butter." Such plays had LSU fourth in the nation in rushing with 309 yards a game entering the Alabama game. The Tigers finished with a meager 54. “So to be able to control that with our front seven was really good,”
DTQBs like Watson, Hurts, Prescott, Barrett, Marshall, Mariotta, etc., have almost as many TDs running as passing. Harris added 4 Rushing TDs as a Soph and had 3 Rushing and 6 Passing TDS in his FR season in less than 6 Qtrs of play. The highest Pts/Play and Pts/Min in the nation. His Rating of 175, the same as Perrilloux, did not capture his contribution as the leading Rusher in YPC. Without Perrilloux that 2007 2-loss team would have not won the SECCG. If Perrilloux had been better utilized, there might not have been two triple OT losses to unranked teams. What a sales job Miles did "undefeated in regulation". An instance when Mile-speak worked.
Saban has been building the perfect beast, with the largest support staff in the country along with Clemson, OSU, UT. Oeaux and Alleva are totally against this new analytical arms race, naturally, they want to pinch pennies. ALA has nearly doubled in size and enrollment since Saban's hiring. He is underpaid at 11 million. Still that was not enough to stop Deshaun Watson from running 96 plays and posting 31 1st downs in the last two NC games. Clemson should have won both. Meanwhile, we go scoreless, struggling to get a first down. The game has changed and even Oeaux is singing Hurts praises as the best, and getting better. It is Reality, not negativity.
Etling came here after being benched as a Soph at Purdue going 2-10 in 12 starts, over 2 seasons, with a total 16 TDs and 12 INTs:
He was 0-7 as a FR with 10 TDs and 7 Ints. He was one first down away from an 0-11 season.
Etling is the only QB not to score any pts vs ALA since the 21-0 NC loss. He got the job 'by default' because Miles needed a Scapegoat after failing to change the Offense and losing OTR to WISC.
You have moments of levity when you realize an opposing view is not an attack. You admit your mistakes: when I posted SEC stats as did Lonnie4LSU, when you learned that "Pass Play" distance is NOT pass distance you admitted to 'screwing the pooch'. You put a premium on Ints and Rating in this thread. And you say Etling does not do well under pressure. Since when did we have an O-Line that could pass protect? In 2013 Geoffrey Pagan said "We are going to step on your necks, break your will, and send in the subs". He knocked Mett out of the game on 4 consecutive sacks. Harris faced pressure on over 50% of his dropbacks yet he completed over 73%. ALA sacked him 5 times and Cyrus Jones injured him on the 40 yd TD to Dural. Hernia, shoulder, knee, and ankle by the end of that game. Saban went to the middle of the field with Derrick Henry in tow and said " “I always get a good feeling in a game when they run that first zone extra, and they don’t get anything. That’s when the nose guard flatheads the center, and they knock their guy back and the linebacker fills. That’s their bread and butter." Such plays had LSU fourth in the nation in rushing with 309 yards a game entering the Alabama game. The Tigers finished with a meager 54. “So to be able to control that with our front seven was really good,”
DTQBs like Watson, Hurts, Prescott, Barrett, Marshall, Mariotta, etc., have almost as many TDs running as passing. Harris added 4 Rushing TDs as a Soph and had 3 Rushing and 6 Passing TDS in his FR season in less than 6 Qtrs of play. The highest Pts/Play and Pts/Min in the nation. His Rating of 175, the same as Perrilloux, did not capture his contribution as the leading Rusher in YPC. Without Perrilloux that 2007 2-loss team would have not won the SECCG. If Perrilloux had been better utilized, there might not have been two triple OT losses to unranked teams. What a sales job Miles did "undefeated in regulation". An instance when Mile-speak worked.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:01 pm to SEC Grapevine
No, he's not.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 7:36 pm to SEC Grapevine
Forget the fact that you’re using 1 outlying game to discredit a stat that’s been used for decades to measure a QBs cumulative passing ability but you’re argument only proves my point. The QBs passer ratings from the game in question were 106.9 for Watson and 123.2 for Wilson so their passer ratings were in fact a reflection of the game they both had. Why are Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers at the top of passer rating every season if that stat doesn’t reflect a QBs performance? The QBR stat was made up by espn to boost running QBs profile and is a very misleading stat that a lot of football people discredit and don’t pay any attention too.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:21 pm to Madking
Passer rating in the NFL is on a far different scale than the NCAA, going from 0 to 158.3.
Passing efficiency in college football is on a scale from -731.6 to 1261.6.
Aaron Rodgers career-leading Rating Avg is 104.1, Russell Wilson 2nd at 99.7, Brady 3rd at 97.5. Watson for the year is 103 with 19 touchdowns.
Watson and and Wilson both had 400 yd games and Rushed and Scored TDs not captured in that archaic Rating measurement. However, 106.9 and 123.2 are far above average.
Current Standings NFL : DeShaun Watson 19 TDs
Current Standings Total QBR: including Rushing Yds & TDs - Watson leads Wilson by Wide Margin
Passing efficiency in college football is on a scale from -731.6 to 1261.6.
Aaron Rodgers career-leading Rating Avg is 104.1, Russell Wilson 2nd at 99.7, Brady 3rd at 97.5. Watson for the year is 103 with 19 touchdowns.
Watson and and Wilson both had 400 yd games and Rushed and Scored TDs not captured in that archaic Rating measurement. However, 106.9 and 123.2 are far above average.
Current Standings NFL : DeShaun Watson 19 TDs
Current Standings Total QBR: including Rushing Yds & TDs - Watson leads Wilson by Wide Margin
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:03 pm to SEC Grapevine
All that matters is the 2017 Etling led team is ranked 71st in scoring offense, and possessing the 84th ranked passing offense has contributed to that. Not good enough in either category
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:50 pm to SEC Grapevine
And NFL QBs don’t have their rushing stats penalized for sacks the way college QBs do so a Dak Prescott can take 40 yards in sacks and it doesn’t affect his rushing totals by 1 yard. Not sure what your point is but if you think Dak Prescott Carson Weintz and Desean Watson are better QBs than Aaron Rogers Tom Brady and Drew Brees because of QBR then you’re nuts. Your putting all of your faith in a stat that is only talked about on espn and by Skip Bayless so forgive me if I don’t put a whole lot of stock into QBR.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:58 pm to SEC Grapevine
Record for top 3 QBs in passer rating 15-8 and QBs have 6 Super Bowl wins between them
Record for QBR leaders 10-11 1 super bowl
You can have that QBR crap I’ll take a qb who can win games playing the position the way it’s meant to be played.
Record for QBR leaders 10-11 1 super bowl
You can have that QBR crap I’ll take a qb who can win games playing the position the way it’s meant to be played.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:59 pm to Madking
You need to calm down.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:59 pm to S
Lol what?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:00 pm to S
Posting facts equal being upset? Are you a liberal or something?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:38 pm to Madking
Yes.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:47 pm to S
Well this is a sports discussion board you need to check that snowflake stuff at the door.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:51 pm to bdnc
quote:
Etling is better than most think
Alabama @ LSU, 2016 (in under 29 minutes)
Watch this and maybe you'll change your opinion. Etling was terrible against Alabama last season. He couldn't make any throw.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:13 am to Madking
You brought it up.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:36 am to S
I’m not knocking your views, I have great disdain for both sides I was saying don’t use those delicate sensibilities to judge someone’s emotional state from a post. The language I used wouldn’t lead any rational person to think what you thought. Even if I did use strong language without voice influx, constant obscenity laced insults or facial context there’s no way anyone can know someone’s emotional state.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:40 am to Madking
You speak with a conspicuous, inflecting tone.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:51 am to S
It’s from begrudgingly having to explain myself when I shouldn’t have to.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 1:00 am to bdnc
He doesn't make many mistakes....but, a more dynamic QB is necessary to beat Bama
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