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re: Eric Reid's quote
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:19 pm to The_Pistol
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:19 pm to The_Pistol
quote:Only if all the petroleum engineering students were on full scholarship plus expenses award, and could drop it to go to work for Exxon any time they wanted. In that particular hypothetical, what's the problem? They agree to take a scholarship to study petroleum engineering at a state university at state expense and do student work for the state oil company, under the condition that they don't talk to any of the oil companies until they complete the scholarship program or decide to quit it. And if that were so shockingly unfair, then there wouldn't be many students accepting that scholarship program, would there?
This is akin to (hypothetically) Exxon being banned from LSU's career day because the petroleum engineering students are doing such a great job for the state-run oil company.
And btw, it is not against the law to develop a competing product. Arena football, WLAF, USFL and the NFL have all attempted (to varying degrees of success and failure) to develop competing products to college football. And there are hundreds of college football players who are not part of the NCAA.
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:23 pm to The_Pistol
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Yes. And in the process, I'd like people to be free to earn market rates for their hard work and talents
So much for LSU football because they can't afford a 5 star recruit a signing bonus of 20 million.
Players giving way to the school with the highest bidder. NCAA would be the new, shittier version, of the NFL.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:25 pm to Hired Gun
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George, i read your first post about all the free shite they get and i agree that they should not get paid. What about players being able to access conventional loans from boosters, coaches, school athletic departments or TAF-type entities?
I'm not necessarily opposed to that but i'd rather the athlete get a loan from a bank than a school. Details would have to be worked out before I gave a real opinion though.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:30 pm to The_Pistol
quote:So the refinery workers for Exxon must have their combined salaries match the total revenues generated by Exxon's oil sales, or they are not "free to earn market rates for their hard work and talents"?
And in the process, I'd like people to be free to earn market rates for their hard work and talents.
Name me one athlete at any NCAA program who is prohibited from walking away and making as much money as he can through any means legal to anyone else? No NCAA rules apply to anyone who doesn't WANT to be an NCAA athlete. How is this exploitative or contrary to the free market? You want to let the players exercise all of their free market powers, but bind the hands of anyone who organizes and produces the products? How is that fair, or remotely free market? If the NCAA's deal was such a bad one, then how come they have hundreds of thousands of people every year vying for an opportunity to take that deal? And please stop embarassing yourself with this idiotic "the laws prevent anyone who could play college sports to work for anyone else or earn money from any other source!" schtick. They are perfectly free to make money, and they are perfectly free to make money playing sports.
The bottom line is that there tons of people out there who want to watch and follow competitive sporting events. And there are a few groups out there who have figured out how to organize and produce those sporting events in a highly profitable manner. Among those are the NFL, MLB, NBA and NCAA. All of them compete with other organizations who produce sporting events for money, and all of them compete very successfullly with them. Anybody who does not want to participate in sporting events according to the rules of those organizations is free to choose any of the other competing ones (just as Hershel Walker and Billy Cannon did). So far, it turns out that the best deals for the best players are almost always with these organizations, as reflected by the truest of free market indicators: the choice of the participants. If the NCAA were such a bad deal for these players, they'd be in Arena Football or some semi-pro league that offered a better one. The fact that there are such leagues but none of them in fact offer a better deal strongly indicates that the NCAA's deal is a lot better than the whiners here are suggesting.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:31 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Just include a grant into the scholarship that is paid monthly at a set amount for every scholarship athelete. Easy. Not technically paying them to play just another grant type of allowance. So the 35k becomes 40k and it is equitible for all scholarship athletes.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:39 pm to cajunx2
So men's diving deserves 40k per year, per player?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:52 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
You said a scholarship is worth around 35k a year. I say add 5000 grant to each scholarship per year. If diving boy get atheletic scholarship worth 35k a year then he get grant. ?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:53 pm to cajunx2
I see your point, and of all the ideas on how to pay players it may be the best ... I honestly just don't think they need anymore than they already get.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:07 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Set a criteria like financial aide based on parents income. If the NCAA would let them work to earn extra income I would agree with you, but these atheletes can't so I say give them an allowance grant.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:19 pm to cajunx2
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If the NCAA would let them work to earn extra income I would agree with you, but these atheletes can't so I say give them an allowance grant.
agree...the fact that many of these guys don't have the ability to put a little cash in their pocket, and don't have relatives that can send it to them, is where a lot of the problems start. Give them something like the work study grant that some of the academic scholarship kids get...this would be an educational opportunity as well.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:30 pm to cajunx2
quote:They can work, and many of them do. The problems with the NCAA arise when they are paid for "work" they never do, or get paid way more than people doing their job are supposed to be paid. There's no rule against them getting a job while they're in school, though (if they can find the time, which seems the bigger challenge to me).
If the NCAA would let them work to earn extra income I would agree with you, but these atheletes can't so I say give them an allowance grant
Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:31 pm to ForeLSU
They can be independently contracted ... just saying.
i.e. football camps, giving private coaching lessons, speaking arrangements ... so there are ways.
Eta: good points joey
i.e. football camps, giving private coaching lessons, speaking arrangements ... so there are ways.
Eta: good points joey
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:33 pm to dgnx6
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Titke IX was necessary at the beginning.
No. It was never necessary. Women's sports existed before Title IX and then the lesbians started bitching.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:01 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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No way they should be paid. Their books, housing and food is all paid for too while enrolled.
I hate it when I hear football players say they are struggling to make ends meet. WHY?? EVERYTHING IS PAID FOR?? School, tutors, clothes, food, housing = FREE.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:10 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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So while many many students have to take out loans and leave college with huge debt, football players leave with no debt, have a scholarship that if they keep all 4 years is worth well over $100K and a degree that they can use to make money in the workplace after they graduate from a state university.
No way they should be paid. Their books, housing and food is all paid for too while enrolled.
Fully agree. If they need jobs during the summer, they should be able to go get them. That is where the "non-mandatory" 7 on 7 drills really hurt. It used to be nothing to see LSU players at local businesses working for teh summer, especially basketball players.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:13 pm to Jaketigger
If you were a smart football player, you'd Craiglist every thing you got out of the Swag Bag from your Bowl Games.
You'd end up with thousands just legitimately selling the shite. Forget doing it at a premium. Bowl committees give players everything from Bulova watches to XBoxes to iPad's & iPhone's.
Let's also stop with the bullshite. LSU Jobbers give players work-optional jobs in the summer that give them TONS of networking opportunities, and I won't even TALK about what they're paid.
You'd end up with thousands just legitimately selling the shite. Forget doing it at a premium. Bowl committees give players everything from Bulova watches to XBoxes to iPad's & iPhone's.
Let's also stop with the bullshite. LSU Jobbers give players work-optional jobs in the summer that give them TONS of networking opportunities, and I won't even TALK about what they're paid.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 8:18 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:They make the school millions of dollars, it isnt like some GS major just partying their asses off.
No way they should be paid
So I disagree
Posted on 6/2/11 at 9:07 pm to Cadello
Cool Cadello. That's been discussed ad nausem ... There's been about 45353263 counters to your statement already by multiple people.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 6/2/11 at 9:17 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:Just saw the thread and wanted to respond
been discussed ad nausem ... There's been about 45353263 counters to your statement already by multiple people.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 9:20 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
So while many many students have to take out loans and leave college with huge debt, football players leave with no debt, have a scholarship that if they keep all 4 years is worth well over $100K and a degree that they can use to make money in the workplace after they graduate from a state university.
No way they should be paid. Their books, housing and food is all paid for too while enrolled.
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i paid on my loan for 10 freaking years. they don't help you out with the interest either, or at least advice up front. i know i paid back at least twice as what i borrowed, about like a house....
No way they should be paid. Their books, housing and food is all paid for too while enrolled.
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i paid on my loan for 10 freaking years. they don't help you out with the interest either, or at least advice up front. i know i paid back at least twice as what i borrowed, about like a house....
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