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re: Drive Killing Play: An Analysis

Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:13 pm to
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:13 pm to
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I think there has been a lot said about us blowing the game trying to run the ball in the second half, and honestly, I don’t see it. there is 1 drive where that is true.

I don’t think we blew the game by trying to run. We were 61% pass / 39% run. That’s pretty pass-heavy if we are being honest.

I do think that our inability to run consistently was a big factor, though. If we have a productive day in the ground, everything else falls into place much easier. A lot of those 3rd downs don’t even happen.
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The biggest issue was throwing behind the sticks on 3rd down and hoping the WR or RB could get YAC for the first. And some of that is in the Coaches, some of that is on Nuss and Some of that is USC playing good defense.

I agree with all of this. I can understand that sometimes you throw behind the sticks to try to get a receiver in space. But ending 4 drives on completions short of the sticks seems like a bit of a problem. As you said, some of it is probably play calling and some is probably execution. And.. yes, some of it is just good defense by USC.

ETA: On the 4th & goal, I think the WR may have run the wrong route. Nuss clearly wasn’t on the same page with the WR. At the time I chalked it up to Nuss getting spooked by the free rusher that came up the A-gap, but there was something Kelly said yesterday in his PC that made me think it might have actually been a mistake by the WR. Would have to go back and listen again.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
10301 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:15 pm to
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Calling a run towards a TE whom you have openly admitted to not being a great blocker yet on arguably the most important play of the game is quite the decision.

The guy Pimpton whiffed on should never make that play. Pimpton doesn’t even have to get a good block on him, he just needs to not get completely blown up to the inside. “Don’t let your guy run free inside of you” isn’t a huge ask.
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
877 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:50 pm to
The reality is you said we ran the ball well. The facts are we ran the ball 9 times in 3 possessions in the 4th quarter for a net total of 15 yards....when you are running the ball 70% on first down, that puts a a guy starting his first regular season primetime start in a hole. In the first half they mixed it up much better. I see you have moved the goal posts now to blaming Nuss....who again, in his first regular season start in a primetime game went for 300+ yards and a 75% completion %. Initially, you were saying we ran the ball well, which in crunch time, is not true at all. EOD
Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:07 pm to
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I don’t think we blew the game by trying to run


We did. It's all about situation not the overall percent. They decided to focus on running more and we were near ineffective. That not only wasted plays it put more pressure on the passing downs which were out of sync and more telegraphed.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:28 pm to
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when you are running the ball 70% on first down, that puts a a guy starting his first regular season primetime start in a hole.


again, he started off “in a hole”

on 1 drive in the second half.

first drive he got the bal 3rd and 3

Second half ran on 8 first downs.

5 went for 3 or more yards
on 1st down we had rushes of

3
39
3
6
4
-5
0
2

and don’t get me wrong the last 3 aren’t great, but what are you going to call “starting in the hole” on 2nd down?


what’s worse a 2 yard run on 1st and 10 or a 2 yard pass on 2nd and 3?

And i’ve said a bunch of time Nuss wasn’t bad, but he needs to be better.

39 passes for 304 yards isn’t efficient.

considering one was for 41 yards that’s 38 passes for 261 yards. 6.9 yards an attempt.



This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 6:30 pm
Posted by airbornetiger
SATX
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:21 pm to
This was the momentum changer….drive #8
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
10301 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:27 pm to
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We did. It's all about situation not the overall percent. They decided to focus on running more and we were near ineffective. That not only wasted plays it put more pressure on the passing downs which were out of sync and more telegraphed.

I’m not really disagreeing with that.

I think it’s easy to look back at a 3rd & 1, see it get stuffed, and say “we should have passed.” The flip side of that, though, is that if you can’t run tempo after a 14 yard gain, with your 6th year senior RB, behind 3+ future NFL OL and pick up a yard on 3rd down, you’re going to have a rough day on offense. (And yeah I know that the issue on that play was Pimpton. Just making a point.)

It’s also easy to look back at 3rd & 3 and go “how the hell do we complete a 2 yard pass?” And honestly, if we were a threat to run the ball past the sticks on 3rd & 3 it would probably make that situation a lot easier.

So yeah the rhythm was weird. Yeah, we wasted some plays when you look back at our effectiveness. Yeah, I think the staff should have seen that they weren’t getting any consistency on the ground and probably tried to do something different.

But it’s never (I should say usually not) one specific thing from one specific person/group that loses a game. The desire to stick with the running game in hindsight looks like the wrong move. But our inability to be consistent running the ball in the first place was also a problem. As was the fact that we were constantly throwing short of the sticks on 3rd down even when it was manageable.

I do think that at least part of the reason for wanting to run the ball was to slow the game down. We held USC to 27 points but they only ran 58 plays. And 8 of them were on the last drive in 2-minute offense. If they were on pace for 65 plays going into that final drive would our opinion of the defense be different? I don’t know, maybe. It’s impossible to say but I do think it was a factor in the game plan.
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