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Don't understand melt down over not hiring Herman...
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:35 pm
If there is a case for a melt down, I would think it would have to be over not getting Fisher - a proven NC coach. Herman has been a HC at one stop in a non-Power 5 conference - with a team that beat two top 3 (at the time) ranked teams, but then lost to SMU, Navy and Memphis - that's garbage. How does that merit a 5.5 million dollar contract??
I wanted Fisher, but if the rumors of 10 yr/80M deal were real, then no thanks. That's great if it works out, but an absolute crippling situation if it doesn't, I mean we aren't the New York Yankees and would have a hard time absorbing that if we didn't see championships right away.
At the very least Orgeron is on a make-good type of contract, and there is little risk on the LSU side. One would predict that this staff will continue to recruit, so even if he is somewhere in 8-4 to 10-2 range without getting to Atlanta, I would expect next up gets a program on solid footing.
He took over a very bad situation, and to my eyes, the product we were given was significantly better than it was before Sept 26. Provided he can keep his DC, bring in a capable offensive mind at OC, and let the staff do its job, I will be surprised if the results aren't very good.
The guy sounds funny, no doubt, but at least he makes sense when he speaks, and it appears he realizes he is going to have to allow his coaches to do their jobs. I don't know what the guy's intellectual capabilities are, but he at leasts talks a good game in regards to having insight into his failures, and apparently his work ethic is unimpeachable, so for better or worse, here we are and I'm not worried about where we are yet.
I wanted Fisher, but if the rumors of 10 yr/80M deal were real, then no thanks. That's great if it works out, but an absolute crippling situation if it doesn't, I mean we aren't the New York Yankees and would have a hard time absorbing that if we didn't see championships right away.
At the very least Orgeron is on a make-good type of contract, and there is little risk on the LSU side. One would predict that this staff will continue to recruit, so even if he is somewhere in 8-4 to 10-2 range without getting to Atlanta, I would expect next up gets a program on solid footing.
He took over a very bad situation, and to my eyes, the product we were given was significantly better than it was before Sept 26. Provided he can keep his DC, bring in a capable offensive mind at OC, and let the staff do its job, I will be surprised if the results aren't very good.
The guy sounds funny, no doubt, but at least he makes sense when he speaks, and it appears he realizes he is going to have to allow his coaches to do their jobs. I don't know what the guy's intellectual capabilities are, but he at leasts talks a good game in regards to having insight into his failures, and apparently his work ethic is unimpeachable, so for better or worse, here we are and I'm not worried about where we are yet.
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:49 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
I think Texas just hired it next coaching flop. Time will tell. I'm getting behind Coach O.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:50 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
What hostage? LSU could have still gotten O a freaking month from now. There was absolutely no reason to rush this hire and settle for a guy with a historically bad coaching history as a head coach.
No one was going after O, but Alleva proved why guys like Mal Moore and Foley will make LSU and him their bitch for the foreseeable future.
No one was going after O, but Alleva proved why guys like Mal Moore and Foley will make LSU and him their bitch for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:51 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
Herman is going to be another Dan Mullen and someone is going to overpay for him, glad it wasn't LSU
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:52 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
I don't understand why it came down to two guys or O (apparently). There are a ton of good prospects that I hope we vetted before making this decision. Just off the top of my head, guys like Justin Fuente, Willie Taggart, James Franklin, Paul Chryst, Derek Mason, Dan Mullen, Mike Gundy, Dana Holgorson and Mike McIntyre all have solid resumes as head coaches and are all do-able hires (not like Harbaugh, Petersen, Patterson, Swinney etc). I would hope with three months to do due diligence they didn't simply come down to this week and look at the guy they wanted last year and this year's flavor of the month OR a guy Les Miles hired as his D line coach.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:52 pm to aremore
Same here. I'd rather a coach that has learned from mistakes in the past, an awesome recruiter, and someone who LOVES LSU, not just the money. Unless he flops I'm supporting him. There's a lot of talent coming back. I believe he will win people over next year.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:56 pm to Chadwick
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guys like Mal Moore
You mean guys that have been dead for three years??
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:49 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
I'm glad we didn't get Herman: he kisses boys.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:10 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
Texas can have him. Unproven
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:37 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
Maybe Herman may didn't have the chest to come to the SECw.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:47 am to TampaTiger
Seems to me Fisher & Herman decided not to play our schedule every year...
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:52 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
It's the hiring of a career dline coach as lsu's head coach that has everyone pissed. This is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history. Tenn, auburn, georgia,bama, and Florida HAVE NEVER elevated a position coach to hc.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:54 am to Tigerpaul1969
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There are a ton of good prospects that I hope we vetted before making this decision.
Exactly. Any coach that has successfully ran a side of the ball is more qualified than Ed Orgeron. Hell Dave Aranda has a better resume and is more qualified. He was hired to be his boss.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:54 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
I'm with you. His team loses to SMU, Navy, and Memphis.
Do I think he's a good offensive mind, yes. But to me it seems like he can't keep his team focused.
They beat Louisville and then lose to Memphis.
I think he'll have the boosters breathing down his neck at Texas.
I have no idea why some "fans" are so sideways about promoting Orgeron. Everyone was so happy when he was hired, 2 years later everyone wanted Miles fired and have Orgeron named interim head coach (obviously the general consensus was he could do a better job than Miles) and that happens, but when the same man is promoted to head coach, everyone loses their minds. I don't get it.
Talk about a double standard. And yes, I'm very aware of his time at Ole Miss. At the most recent, that was 9 years ago.
Give the man some credit. I look forward to seeing what he can do when he can hire the assistants he wants.
Do I think he's a good offensive mind, yes. But to me it seems like he can't keep his team focused.
They beat Louisville and then lose to Memphis.
I think he'll have the boosters breathing down his neck at Texas.
I have no idea why some "fans" are so sideways about promoting Orgeron. Everyone was so happy when he was hired, 2 years later everyone wanted Miles fired and have Orgeron named interim head coach (obviously the general consensus was he could do a better job than Miles) and that happens, but when the same man is promoted to head coach, everyone loses their minds. I don't get it.
Talk about a double standard. And yes, I'm very aware of his time at Ole Miss. At the most recent, that was 9 years ago.
Give the man some credit. I look forward to seeing what he can do when he can hire the assistants he wants.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:56 am to Geauxgurt
quote:
No one was going after O, but Alleva proved why guys like Mal Moore and Foley will make LSU and him their bitch for the foreseeable future.
Foley??? Really?
First of all he's retired now, but don't let that stop you. But to your point, that overrated sonofabitch hired some pure shite football coaches at UF.
His first hire was Zook.
And MAYBE he can try to claim Meyer, but you know what? Bernie Machen is the real reason Meyer wound up there.
Follow that up with a total failure in Muschamp. And the fricking moron didn't even fire him when he lost to Georgia fricking Southern!!!
And now... McElwain??? That bucktooth used car salesman? And a fricking classless douchebag at that?? That sorry piece of shite is in Atlanta for the second straight year ONLY because he is coaching in the biggest steaming pile of dogshit division in all of college football.
So frick Foley and frick Florida too!!!
NOTHING about that program can or will EVER make LSU their bitch.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:00 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
Oh and regarding the actual topic at hand, I for one am NOT melting over not getting Herman. Was hoping to, but frankly am totally fine with not getting him, especially if the "Saban money" thing is correct. Not worth that at all yet.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:00 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
quote:lol, you need to get out of Northeast, TX....I mean Northwest, LA.
The guy sounds funny
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:02 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
quote:ok, you good - forget about my snarky remark about n/e tegas and n/w LA.
You mean guys that have been dead for three years??
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:04 am to LSU Jax
quote:
So frick Foley and frick Florida too!!! NOTHING about that program can or will EVER make LSU their bitch.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:06 am to la_birdman
quote:
have no idea why some "fans" are so sideways about promoting Orgeron. Everyone was so happy when he was hired, 2 years later everyone wanted Miles fired and have Orgeron named interim head coach (obviously the general consensus was he could do a better job than Miles) and that happens, but when the same man is promoted to head coach, everyone loses their minds. I don't get it.
He is a career dline coach that lost to every team we played that had a pulse. He lost to a 14 point underdog at home while they were missing tons of defensive starters.
People are upset because there are dozens of coach that are more qualified than Ed Orgeron. This hire is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history. No big 6 sec program has ever elevated a position coach to hc.
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