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re: Does WW teach his players how to block out?

Posted on 2/18/22 at 5:30 pm to
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 2/18/22 at 5:30 pm to
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Trapping teams force a lot of turnovers and do give up more offensive rebounds than upper level half court defensive teams. I mentioned Petino’s dominant Kentucky teams, Arkansas’ 40 minutes of Hell teams were the same. If you’re forcing 18+ turnovers per game that’s 18+ possessions where there’s no chance of a rebound happening but still a huge advantage to your defense.


That may be true. But I look at rebounding % rather than the total number of rebounds. In that regard LSU, under Wade, has always been amount the bottom 1/3 of teams in the country in defensive rebounding %. That is, the % of rebounds they grab in relation rebound opportunities (i.e. number of missed shots by the opponent).

So yes, LSU forcing a high number of turnovers does = less shots for the opponent. But LSU hasn't been good at rebounding a high % (relatively speaking) of their opponent misses. That could be the result of several factors. But they weren't a good defensive rebounding team when they had awful defenses, and they are not a good defensive rebounding team when the have a great defense this year.

My theory why:

Opponents shoot a high number of 3's vs LSU. Long shots often = long rebounds. With long rebounds blocking out in the paint doesn't always help. LSU also switches everything. So on more than a few occasions you have guards underneath or guys having to help on defensive mismatches that take them out of position for the defensive rebound. Plus, LSU is always looking for a runout after a missed basket. Sometimes that causes guys to leave the rebounding area before the defensive rebound is actually secured. Whatever the reason, when something is a trend over the course of multiple years it is likely the result of a team's philosophy on that aspect of the game rather than a player/teaching deficiency.

How do we know this? There have been several times over the years where when LSU is matched up against a tremendous offensive rebounding team they make it a point of emphasis to get on the defensive glass...often at the exclusion of potential fast breaks. Kentucky is the best offensive rebounding team in the SEC this year. Yet, LSU won the rebounding battle with them because they made it a point of emphasis to send 4 guys to the glass. They did the same vs. Miss. St...another really good offensive rebounding team.

On that same token, LSU got thumped pretty good by Alabama on the offensive glass. Part of that was because Days, your most efficient rebounder, left the game with injury. But another part is because Alabama took 34 3's...missing 25 of them. That is a lot of long misses that often time favor the shooting team on rebounds.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/18/22 at 5:50 pm to
You’re right about long rebounds and odd bounces off of three point attempts and we saw that vs UGA. As far as Wade’s teams, in the 2018-19 season Wade started with that small 3 guard lineup and Naz at center which killed us on the boards in the non conference. Then when he inserted KVB and Marlon Taylor into the lineup for conference play we ended up 4th in the SEC in defensive rebounds grabbing over 76% of misses so that season is kind of misleading. The other 2 since we finished 1st and 4th in the SEC in defensive rebounding even though we’ve been undersized in the front court.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 5:56 pm
Posted by Antioch
Anytown, USA
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:38 pm to
You are an absolute zero when it comes to basketball knowledge so please stop.
Posted by Antioch
Anytown, USA
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:39 pm to
I wonder what happened to that other ahole that use to post on here.. his screen name was his football seats sec 414 or something. . what a no nothing zero he was huh?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70608 posts
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:02 pm to
No idea who you’re talking about.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:05 pm to
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Madking

Does WW teach his players how to block out?
What do you mean by “street ball” or did you just hear someone say that


The aggressive defensive style played means going for the ball which also leads to being out of place to block out. May look like uncontrolled street ball but is not and one of the reasons this team has had some success this season.

This style of defense leads to turn over baskets and exactly what this team needs. Rebounding and aggressive defense is not a weakness, neither is lack of quality coaching. The team is extremely athletic but also needs some maturity and offensive development. Most of these kids will stay around for 3 years and develop skills along with some added offensive fire power coming in they can make a serious deep run in the playoffs.



Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70608 posts
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:09 pm to
You’re right over the target. Our problem is that guys like Days and Eason don’t make good decisions in the half court. Eason gets a pass because being the focal point is new to him and he’s learning on the fly but Days is a senior and makes some of the worst decisions with the ball in his hands. As far as the “street ball” nonsense that’s just fans who haven’t payed attention to basketball in 20 years and don’t realize that motion or flex offenses went obsolete when the 30 second clock was put in. They don’t know what sets are and don’t know what they’re watching.
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