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re: Does Welter prove his haters wrong this season?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:00 am to therick711
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:00 am to therick711
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So, the question is and remains, what about missed tackles in the run game. That is a large part of what a middle linebacker does.
You win. No linebacker on any other team ever gets blocked or gets there late or misses a tackle.
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See, here's the issue. If he had a great year and he missed a few tackles, that's one thing and maybe your ridiculous overreaction would be warranted. He was by any standard not great last year, not even average
Which people like you, knowing much more about the position and the way his play (good&bad)that his coaches do, feel compelled to share that with us. OK
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Let's just be clear though. Just because someone is the best option, it doesn't necessarily mean they are a good option. Last year he said that Welter had a tremendous spring too. We all know how that worked out. Hopefully, Welter is tremendously successful this year, but that doesn't retroactively make his season last year a good one.
I'm glad that you and the rest of the torch bearing lynch mob on the Rant point that out, over and over and over ad nauseum. It doesn't matter that the person tasked with building, managing and planning the defense has decided that he is the best option.
OK I get it.
Let's make this season the year to collectively beat up on him because our beer buddies have decided that the is this year's target.
I get it now.
Let's see how many MOAR threads we can start and maintain showing that we fans, especially those of us who have never played major level football, never played that position and never coached know so much.
I get it. I really do.
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:04 am to Dr Von Nostrand
People who take up for him, clearly did not watch him. He was a special kind of bad. Don't say it is because he's white, or because he is slow, or weak. He honestly just looks terrible out there. He runs to the guard or center, takes on the block, allows himself to get pushed back 5 yards, then finds the ball and jumps on the pile, or tracks down the player with a good angle and makes the play 9 yards down field.
I honestly don't see how some people don't see this. It's a common occurrence, and that is not what your Mike should do. We have young guys behind them that are more than capable if they're allowed to be coached up. That's why people get so fed up. We are wasting years of players who have elite talent, for what?
Also, I'm so sick of hearing the coaches know more. They put beckwith at DE last year so he couldn't learn Mike, then subbed Welter off for 2-3 series almost every game because he was so bad. Problem was they put Lamar Louis in who is extremely undersized for Mike. There is no possible way they could watch film and love what Welter did
I honestly don't see how some people don't see this. It's a common occurrence, and that is not what your Mike should do. We have young guys behind them that are more than capable if they're allowed to be coached up. That's why people get so fed up. We are wasting years of players who have elite talent, for what?
Also, I'm so sick of hearing the coaches know more. They put beckwith at DE last year so he couldn't learn Mike, then subbed Welter off for 2-3 series almost every game because he was so bad. Problem was they put Lamar Louis in who is extremely undersized for Mike. There is no possible way they could watch film and love what Welter did
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:05 am to Gray Tiger
It is sort of astounding that you could write so much and not address a single point that was made. You basically outlined three points and proceeded to misunderstand them all. That was quite a feat of ineptitude, I must say. It was the constantly misses tackles of posts. You were in the right place, but you couldn't execute. 
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:07 am to therick711
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Here's the full play. The missed tackle wasn't as big a problem as the sandblasting he took from the reach block.
LINK
wtf was welter doing??? playing patty cake??
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:09 am to Gray Tiger
he wouldn't get singled out if he was good or some sort of playmaker. very doubtful that he is drafted.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:10 am to TIGRLEE
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There's a special breed of stupid that flocks to this website.
Pot, meet kettle.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:10 am to LSUButt
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Also, I'm so sick of hearing the coaches know more
This sort of makes my point doesn't it?
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There is no possible way they could watch film and love what Welter did
But YOU could?
Crawl back into your Nattylite can, you have nothing to add. Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:15 am to LSUButt
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People who take up for him, clearly did not watch him
Chief starts him, are you saying he doesn't watch him play?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:17 am to therick711
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It is sort of astounding that you could write so much and not address a single point that was made. You basically outlined three points and proceeded to misunderstand them all. That was quite a feat of ineptitude, I must say. It was the constantly misses tackles of posts. You were in the right place, but you couldn't execute.
You are converting me. Posting pictures of a couple of missed tackles was the tipping point. Apparentley he was the only member of the team to do that. I want to see moar of those pictures since they are the smoking gun.
And I'll have to agree that you are way more qualified to judge his value to the team since you are at every practice and planning session.
Hey let me join in with all of you knowbetters.
If Chavis plays him, we need to start a fire Chavis movement right nere in the Rant. You in?
But first we have to have our daily thread roasting Welter. That makes us all feel better doesn't it. I'm in that too. Boo Welter. Rah us.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:21 am to LSUButt
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People who take up for him, clearly did not watch him. He was a special kind of bad. Don't say it is because he's white, or because he is slow, or weak. He honestly just looks terrible out there. He runs to the guard or center, takes on the block, allows himself to get pushed back 5 yards, then finds the ball and jumps on the pile, or tracks down the player with a good angle and makes the play 9 yards down field.
I honestly don't see how some people don't see this. It's a common occurrence, and that is not what your Mike should do. We have young guys behind them that are more than capable if they're allowed to be coached up. That's why people get so fed up. We are wasting years of players who have elite talent, for what?
Also, I'm so sick of hearing the coaches know more. They put beckwith at DE last year so he couldn't learn Mike, then subbed Welter off for 2-3 series almost every game because he was so bad. Problem was they put Lamar Louis in who is extremely undersized for Mike. There is no possible way they could watch film and love what Welter did
+1 my friend
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:24 am to Gray Tiger
so in summary Welter's supporters basically only have "but chavis starts him!!!" to defend his play.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:28 am to BilJ
basically...
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:37 am to BilJ
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so in summary Welter's supporters basically only have "but chavis starts him!!!" to defend his play.
So basically the Welter haters have nothng but,"My buddies told me" to prove their point? You gotta wonder how many plays they have charted, hours of practice and game replays they have seen, practices they have attended, how many hours of meetings with other coaches planning defensive schemes they have been to.
I'd whole lot rather let Chavis decide who plays than some boozed up fan peering bleary-eyed from the upper reaches of Tiger Stadium. Call me crazy but I think my chhoice has more validity.
But if hating on Welter gives you some sort of self imposed manhood boost, have at it. You seem to need it.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:37 am to BilJ
In Chief we trust.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:40 am to Gray Tiger
Gray Tiger in 1998.
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You guys can't criticize Dunson. Coach Tepper has been doing this a lot longer than you have. How many plays have you charted? How many hours of film have you poured over? You don't even know the scheme. I'll prefer to let the expert make the evaluations. None of you are qualified to determine if our defense is good or not.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:49 am to Gray Tiger
look dumb frick its up for debate as to whether or not welter was the best option last year, so I'll give you your let's default to the coaches there.
But there really is no way you can sit here and tell me you thought Welter's on the field play was that of a quality starting MLB in the SEC.
But there really is no way you can sit here and tell me you thought Welter's on the field play was that of a quality starting MLB in the SEC.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:52 am to BilJ
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:53 am to therick711
i would think most in this thread would want him to improve (like me). i'm not cheering against the kid, i just want the best players available in each position.
i hope he's made the strides that he needed to make in order to be productive and a difference maker. or i'd settle for less of a liability even.
i hope he's made the strides that he needed to make in order to be productive and a difference maker. or i'd settle for less of a liability even.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:55 am to therick711
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therick711
I'm flattered that you took the time to search my posts.
So then you are saying that I'm wrong and you DO know more than Chavis.
Even though he wasw a bust, I'm willing to bet that even Tepper knows more about football than you do.
Just a thought, but hate on.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:01 pm to Gray Tiger
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Gray Tiger
My only issue with you is you don't even understand what is being argued. I generally like your posts. I will say this, you are dead wrong when you argue that if two people have varying degrees of expertise, that the one with less expertise is incapable of insight or having anything to offer to the other.
The examples are so numerous that it barely even is worth recounting them. Movie critics don't know more about CGI than the people who do it, yet they can identify bad special effects. Politicians don't know more about armed conflict than military leaders, but they can identify bad results. If the best argument in favor of Welter is that Chavis plays him and he knows more than fans, that's not so great.
With me specifically, I even addressed that point by saying it is possible perhaps even likely that Chavis thought Welter was best choice to play last year. That doesn't make Welter good or his play stellar. It just means he was the best we had. You somehow managed to miss all of that and still do. You can be acerbic if you want, but your arguments aren't good, and you aren't persuading anyone. Cheers to you any way. Hopefully, LSU and Welter prove the critics wrong.
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