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re: Does o have what it takes to hire a real OC
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:22 pm to CottonWasKing
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:22 pm to CottonWasKing
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Steve Ensminger will and should be the OC next year. Get used to the idea
104th in total offense.
83rd in scoring.
Time for Ensminger to head off into the sunset with some dignity.
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:24 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Please explain to me how his offense is better than any OC post Saban era.
It's not.
But it's no worse and hiring a new offensive coordinator every year isn't making it any better.
Why would Kendall Briles or Hugh Freeze want to come here?
They know it doesn't matter what the win-loss record is. If they lose to Alabama in their first year then they'll be out on their arse.
It gets to a point where you have to try to build towards the future and continuity is a big part of that.
What's the use of returning every meaningful offensive starter if you're just going to force them to relearn a whole new offense again?
We're not where we need to be talent wise. We're not where we need to be coaching wise. But experience and continuity can do a lot to mitigate both of those factors. But you can't have 5 OC's in 4 years and expect to be successful. You just fricking can't.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:29 pm to novabill
Although I would rather have a younger OC with fresh ideas, and can develop a QB, LSU didn’t lose because of Steve. We were dominated by their DL. Bama’s JH, at backup is better than any QB we have. You cannot beat Bama with a damn game manager.
The gap is wide, and will not narrow until we match their talent on the lines and develop a QB.
Ed cannot live off recycled talent at skilled positions. A scholarship was wasted on that JC tackle out of NY., another on Giles, Makes you wonder if there is anyone other than Aranda that can evaluate talent. Those assessments will keep widening that gap and like everyone else, LSU will be playing for second.
The gap is wide, and will not narrow until we match their talent on the lines and develop a QB.
Ed cannot live off recycled talent at skilled positions. A scholarship was wasted on that JC tackle out of NY., another on Giles, Makes you wonder if there is anyone other than Aranda that can evaluate talent. Those assessments will keep widening that gap and like everyone else, LSU will be playing for second.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:30 pm to CottonWasKing
To those talking continuity...
Alabama has had 5 OC's in the past 3 years.
Please don't talk about continuity as a crisis, especially when the current offensive scheme is a clear dud.
Alabama has had 5 OC's in the past 3 years.
Please don't talk about continuity as a crisis, especially when the current offensive scheme is a clear dud.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:31 pm to SomeTigre
The guy didn’t interview a single candidate
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:31 pm to CottonWasKing
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They know it doesn't matter what the win-loss record is. If they lose to Alabama in their first year then they'll be out on their arse.
That's not true. many people wanted to give Canada a 2nd year. O is the one who ended that experiment. Name an OC that has been fired solely for one loss to Bama.
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We're not where we need to be talent wise. We're not where we need to be coaching wise. But experience and continuity can do a lot to mitigate both of those factors
So you're scared we may have a "down" year on offense due to a new system so that means we just ride it out with E until he and O both get fired? Do you think recruits will respond worse to a OC change that ultimately modernizes our offense or to a stale offense and coordinator that the HC won't fire?
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:33 pm to RuLSU
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Alabama has had 5 OC's in the past 3 years
Yes they keep recycling OC's but in case you weren't paying attention last night our programs are obviously not at the same place.
We don't have a figure head like Nick Saban or 457 national championships to hang our hat on.
Our tactics are going to need to be a little different.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:36 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Do you think recruits will respond worse to a OC change that ultimately modernizes our offense or to a stale offense and coordinator that the HC won't fire?
I think recruits have ALWAYS responded poorly to not knowing who their coach is going to be.
I also know that good coaches are leery of entering into volatile positions.
We need to settle that volatility before we can even dream of making recruiting strides or great hires
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:37 pm to novabill
I don't know, but if he doesn't make the change when the season ends then O needs to be run out of town. This opportunity to live out his dream job is predicated on producing a modern offense, but it ain't gonna happen with Ensminger as the OC. Just not gonna happen. The stats speak for themselves. Sure, Alabama has a great defense, and so do two other opponents this year (UF and MSU), but we have seen less than spectacular offensive production against just about every team we've played thus far. Even against UGA, turnovers set up most of the those scores, not to mention 5 FGs.
I believe SE would understand and step aside if asked. He can stay on staff in some other role as he has forever. But if Coach O wants to continue living his dream, he'd better make the change. Otherwise, he's being just as stubborn as his predecessor - and you know what happened there.
I believe SE would understand and step aside if asked. He can stay on staff in some other role as he has forever. But if Coach O wants to continue living his dream, he'd better make the change. Otherwise, he's being just as stubborn as his predecessor - and you know what happened there.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:39 pm to novabill
Ens isn’t being demoted unless LSU totally tanks the rest of the year. Just like in years past, we have an offense that will never score on Bama but it’s sufficient to beat most teams, and we’ll have to accept playing for second place. Meanwhile, every year we’ll keep hearing about recruiting and OL talent while the scheme stays the same.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:39 pm to CottonWasKing
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We need to settle that volatility before we can even dream of making recruiting strides or great hires
So you're suggesting we keep Ensminger as our OC purely for stability. Well at least it's an original excuse I guess.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:46 pm to CottonWasKing
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Yes they keep recycling OC's but in case you weren't paying attention last night our programs are obviously not at the same place.
So your argument for why Bama can do it and we can't is because they are winning? Have they installed a new system every time? The bottom line is that we haven't had a decent offense since Zach Mettenberger was QB. Last year Orgeron fired Canada on the grounds that the offense wasn't where it needed to be. This year it's worse, but we need to keep Ensminger as OC? Why? For the sake of continuity? Screw that. What we're doing isn't working.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:47 pm to Tiger Tracker
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So you're suggesting we keep Ensminger as our OC purely for stability
I want to see what this talent can do when they actually have experience in the offense.
I want to see what Steve can do when he actually has the experience to run what he wants.
Maybe it's great. Maybe it's more of the same. I don't know.
But I want to find out for the sake of continuity.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:48 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Last year Orgeron fired Canada on the grounds that the offense wasn't where it needed to be. This year it's worse, but we need to keep Ensminger as OC? Why? For the sake of continuity?
I wanted to see Canada get another year as well.
He deserved a chance to try to improve in his second year and so does Steve
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:55 pm to CottonWasKing
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He deserved a chance to try to improve in his second year and so does Steve
Canada didn't get his chance because of Orgeron's ego. He was brought in with the understanding that he would have autonomy over the offensive play calling, but that's not what happened. He probably told Orgeron to let him do his job and Special Ed didn't take kindly to that. From that moment on, Canada was toast.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:01 pm to TNTigerman
Who in LSU is going to do anything to force his hand? Certainly not Joe, they are joined at the hip. That will mean he failed and that is not going to happen.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:05 pm to CottonWasKing
Let me be clear.
Ensminger has been a lifer. He’s worked his arse off and I appreciate that.
He’s also failed to get the job done.
I’ll take a 2008 type offense: going for broke but turning it over and even losing some games.
I’ll take that over this scared 1960’s football that doesn’t get the job done against top competition.
Ensminger has been a lifer. He’s worked his arse off and I appreciate that.
He’s also failed to get the job done.
I’ll take a 2008 type offense: going for broke but turning it over and even losing some games.
I’ll take that over this scared 1960’s football that doesn’t get the job done against top competition.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:47 pm to LSUFAN2
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Who in LSU is going to do anything to force his hand? Certainly not Joe, they are joined at the hip. That will mean he failed and that is not going to happen.
Well, if O and the person he's joined at the hip with don't see it, then it's just a matter of time before the problem solves itself. Unfortunately, that means we'll have to suffer through 2-3 more seasons of anemic offenses.
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