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re: Does Bama's success scare anyone else?

Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:45 pm to
Posted by sheek
New Albany, OH
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:45 pm to
The one thing i am most afraid of is that this could be the 1st year since probably 2001 that LSU might not finish 1st or 2nd in the west in a 2 year time span. That is a downward trend that his concerning especially with the arms race we are currently having in the West.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 6:48 pm
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7691 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:46 pm to
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they lose tebow, but brantley gets plugged in next year. we lose RP and we're average for 3 years? that's a big difference

I'm disappointed ... you're arguments aer usually better than this.

LSU lost Flynn and then RP before the first snap. What happens if the same thing happened to UF ... Tebow graduates and then they lose Brantley and have to plug in a walk-on or RS Freshman. Still think they would continue to roll?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60642 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:46 pm to
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us FL has a lot to prove when one of the best CFB players ever graduates after this year.


not to mention Spikes, Dunlap and countless others.

The thing I disagree with is that Saban (or another coach, though not likely Miles) could attain that level of success at LSU. We were basically there with the 2005-2007 teams. If we had RP or if Saban had gotten another QB (Snead?) we would not be where we are right now.

I believe the talent is still there and what i hear is that the 2011 class in La will be sick. We should not have been worse than 9-3 last year or this. maybe 2010, then right back at it.
Posted by tiggah1981
Winterfell
Member since Aug 2007
17999 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:47 pm to
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I had 2 fears when he went there, 1 was that he'd start to raid La HS talent, this was the other


Agree, I don't see it slowing down at anytime soon unless of course he bolts, but I don't think he will.
Posted by Carlos
Member since Nov 2006
2130 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:47 pm to
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The one thing i am most afraid of is that this could be the 1st year since probably 2001 that LSU didn't finish 1st or 2nd in the west in a 2 year time span. That is a downward trend that his concerning especially with the arms race we are currently having in the West.


And people will be justifying it saying "there's just more parity in the league now". Meanwhile, the same two participants from last year's SECCG will be playing in it again.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7691 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:51 pm to
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Meanwhile, the same two participants from last year's SECCG will be playing in it again.

This year ... maybe. Arkansas, Auburn, Miss St and Tenn are all breaking in new coaches. With those programs on the rise, I seriously doubt that UF or Bama roll through the conference next year.
Posted by Carlos
Member since Nov 2006
2130 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:51 pm to
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LSU lost Flynn and then RP before the first snap. What happens if the same thing happened to UF ... Tebow graduates and then they lose Brantley and have to plug in a walk-on or RS Freshman. Still think they would continue to roll?


I can PROMISE you that Meyer would find a way to keep the team from losing five games, including three blowouts, and the team would not hang its head, sulk, and quit on the coaching staff. Meyer lost more starters from his 2006 team going into 2007, and his team was still competitive in every game, and more importantly, developed into a national championship team the next season.
Posted by sheek
New Albany, OH
Member since Sep 2007
44129 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:53 pm to
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And people will be justifying it saying "there's just more parity in the league now".


Tru but our talent is superior to others in the conf and comparable to bama's yet we lost 5 games last year. I see your point but coaching is our weak link here. LSU has the most fortunate situation in the West and 2nd to florida in the whole conference with respect to the total package ie facilities, recruiting(we have an entire state), htown 4 hours away, warm weather, on tv 80 percent of time,and a huge fan base. The Miss schools don't share the same luxury and with all due respect to the alabama schools they don't either. I guess I don't buy the parity argument as much as some. Florida and LSU should almost dominate year end and year out.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 6:55 pm
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:54 pm to
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And people will be justifying it saying "there's just more parity in the league now". Meanwhile, the same two participants from last year's SECCG will be playing in it again.


I agree to a point. I think there is more parity overall, but the same top tier teams will control things. Such as LSU, Bama, Tennessee, florida, georgia, auburn. These switch from time to time through the years upon who the best are but these top 6 will rarely change. But the bottom teams have improved over the last few years.
Posted by Carlos
Member since Nov 2006
2130 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:56 pm to
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Tru but our talent is superior to others in the conf and comparable to bama's yet we lost 5 games last year. I see your point but coaching is our weak link here. LSU has the most fortunate situation in the West and 2nd to florida in the whole conference with respect to the total package ie facilities, recruiting, htown 4 hours away, warm weather, on tv 80 percent of time,and a huge fan base. The Miss schools don't share the same luxury and with all respect to the alabama schools they don't either. I guess I don't buy the parity argument as much as some. Florida and LSU should almost dominate year end and year out.


I wholeheartedly reject the parity argument in the context it's generally used as a rationalization. There is more parity in the league now, but that doesn't mean the talent is socialized and there aren't tiers. And we belong in the top tier, no excuses.
Posted by sheek
New Albany, OH
Member since Sep 2007
44129 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:59 pm to
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here is more parity in the league now,


I think to what the OP said there is more parity at the bottom of the league now ie with some recent improvement to KY and Vandy. Give mullins a few years, he won't be needing "More Cowbells"
Posted by Touchdowns4LSU
Baghdad On The Bayou
Member since Oct 2004
7620 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:01 pm to
SlowFlow,

I share your pain with Saban. He is doing exactly what I knew he would do when they hired him. The turn around has been awesome for Bama. It definitely had a huge impact on Auburn.

He is gone. He isn't coming back. We lost him. I also disagree with those who think history doesn't make a difference. When you take a 17 year old recruit into your trophy room and have who knows how many NC's to show, history is important.

I am not unhappy with Miles by any means. I am still thinking the man has been remarkable for LSU in recruiting (which is the entire game in college ball) and he has been hampered by assistants leaving just when he has assembled a first class staff.

Saban though has had lots of staff turnover too. Check mate on that.

The thing that has really disappointed me last season and this season is the reluctance to change. I wonder if Nick would have hung on to Lee so long or put him in such a ridiculous strategy. What would he have done with RP?

Anyway, let's just hope we can beat Nick and derail bama this year. That would go miles and miles toward cementing our love for Miles. If we were to swipe the SECw championship (I know, unlikely the way the O is playing) Miles could really have an outstanding track record.

And I really enjoy this. Just look at the link. This HAS to HURT Bama

NCAA ...Alabama, a Serial Repeat Violator.

That can and will be used to hurt Saban's recruiting efforts. :

LINK
Posted by kltiger
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
214 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:05 pm to
BEST POST I HAVE EVER SEEN
Posted by TigerEast
Alabama
Member since Dec 2003
1452 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:05 pm to
The unknown about Saban is he has never been at one program long enough to know he can sustain the program using his heavy handed ways. Only time will tell.
Posted by GeauxBob
Member since Sep 2008
2904 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:10 pm to
SFP, while I understand your frustration, you seem to be ignoring some solid information that counters your argument.

I am just as upset with the overall disgrace that is our offense. There is no reason our offense should be this bad, and there are many concerns on that side of the ball.

On the defensive side of the ball, I have been very happy with the progress and improvement on defense. Really, the big plays are largely due to a lack of pass rush, which really is all on Haley and Robinson (if he actually does coach the DL). Also, while our DL was declining a little under Earl, it didn't fall out completely until Robinson came on as ST coach and DL Coach (2nd one), so we really need to look at that.

Again, we struggled a little early on defense, but that is to be expected with several new starters (especially in the secondary) and and brand new scheme. Our LBer and DB play has been extremely solid, and our LBing play is the best I've seen since Brady/Faulk days.

Now, I know Bama is improving, but the SEC has to have been its worst in 20 years last year as far as quality teams go. The following powers were way down: LSU, Tennessee, Auburn, UGA (injury plagued). On top of that USCe, MSU (fell off the map), Kentucky (got worse), and Arkansas (horrible). Literally, 8 out of 12 SEC teams had dramatic fall off last year. Only teams that didn't? UF (stayed ridiculous), Vandy (made a friggin bowl game), Ole Miss (look at them this year), and Bama. Now Bama didn't play Vandy, or UF (until the SEC Championship).

So Bama's opponents:
Clemson (sucked overhyped)
Tennessee (sucked)
Kentucky (sucked and almost beat them)
MSU (sucked)
LSU (sucked and took them to OT and scored 21 points on their vaunted defense)
Auburn(sucked)
Georgia (sucked given the expectations and injuries)

That's how Bama went 12-0 before losing to a Harvinnless UF and a Good Utah team.

This season Va Tech is playing the most inconsistent ball of any team I've ever seen, and they only lost to Bama (basically in Bama's back yard) by 10 despite not playing their current offense. This same team waxed Miami one week only to almost lose to Duke the next.

Please explain to me any other quality team Bama has beaten, and please don't tell me Ole Miss. They are horrible on offense.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7691 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

NCAA ...Alabama, a Serial Repeat Violator.

Bama's success should scare Bama ... they are one recruiting violation from probation. If Saban feels a lack of control due to boosters, he won't hang around long enough to maintain the program.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23212 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:21 pm to
No........it doesn't scare me at all.

What scares me is the obsession in worrying about things you can't control........what we can't control is Saban and Bama.........what we can control is LSU and beating Bama......

The season is halfway over and if you'd know anything about football things can change in a blink..........

What scares me even more is your obsession with being a chicken little the sky is falling STD that we can't seem to get off the rant's package.

WE KNOW YOU THINK MILES IS INCOMPETENT!
WE KNOW YOU THINK OUR D STILL SUCKS!
WE KNOW YOU THINK GARY CROWTON CAN'T COACH!
WE KNOW YOU THINK THE 2006 TEAM WOULD HAVE BEAT THE COLTS WITH SABAN!

WE KNOW YOU THINK KW IS A BEAST!

But yah no Bama doesn't scare me.
Posted by TigerEast
Alabama
Member since Dec 2003
1452 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:23 pm to
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What should scare everyone is the fact that LSU football is regressing year after year. This doesn't even look like an LSU football team anymore.


Hard to disagree with this statement.

Do not give me we are 5-1. We were out played by Miss St. Washington and Georgia played us tough and those games could have gone either way. Florida played a safe game with us because they could beat us without their best effort. This is how it has been since Miles took over and will continue as long as Miles is HC.
Posted by The Artful Dodger
Member since Oct 2009
4 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:24 pm to
Why do people still feel the need to defend Les Miles?

During his tenure at LSU we have seen:

1) Discipline problems
2) Mismanagement of the game clock
3) Failure to develop recruits
4) Inability to make adjustments
5) Brady level attrition? Rats off a sinking ship?

I loved our 2007 National Title, but the fact is if you ranked the BCS Championship teams since 1999, where would that LSU team rank? We lucked into that game and Les Miles has a knack for putting together a great gameplan -- with a month to plan. To bad we don't have a month between all of our games.

I will support LSU and I am a die hard fan, but it is pretty obvious Les Miles is not the man to keep us at the Upper Echelon of College Football.

As far as Nick Saban, he will lose a game that he isn't supposed to, but you will never have to worry about your team looking sloppy, and being completely inept while simultaneously being overly cocky. I think Saban will be at Alabama as long as the money is there and they still sacrifice their first born children on his altar, and he will, most likely win a few National Titles along the way.

In Nick Saban's first years at LSU and Alabama he had average seasons with bad losses to mid major teams. His second years always show vast improvement, but don't quite succeed. LSU in 2001 had some good and bad games, ended up winning the West and with some luck in the SECCG won the SEC Championship over a Tennessee team that would have likely played for a National Championship. Alabama lost to a badass UF team that won a National Championship.

In 2002, LSU was a Matt Mauck injury away from being a contender and then in Saban's 4th season won a National Championship. We will see how Alabama ends up, but I bet they will at least be a contender for the next couple years.




Posted by The Artful Dodger
Member since Oct 2009
4 posts
Posted on 10/13/09 at 7:26 pm to
Would anyone be "sad" or "angry" if Les Miles called a press conference after the season had concluded and announced he would be leaving LSU to become the head coach at __________ University?

Be truthful?

Would you be as mad as you were when Saban announced he was leaving?
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