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re: Does anyone know why Bouman was pulled?

Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:29 am to
Posted by detmut
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:29 am to
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Bouman hasn't gone 7 all year


he went 7 against Yale
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:38 am to
Ole Marinari effed it up real good last night.

1. Pulling Bouman during a 2 hitter with only 64 pitches thrown. He's had games this year where he threw 83, 73, 75, and 90 pitches. It is absolutely inexcusable for him to get yanked dominating like he was.

2. Putting in McCune. Cune has cost us several games this year. He should not have been the first reliever off the bench.

3. Leaving in McCune. He had a terrible start to the 7th and got bailed out on a terrible bunt/double play. Coach should have taken a deep breath and thanked God and then taken McCune's jersey, hat, and glove away. Sending him out in the 8th was terrible. At worst, should've been pulled after the first batter.

4. Throwing Broussard in the 9th of a tie game. Coach just used his closer for 3 innings in a game we lost. I can't imagine that Broussard will be available today. Don't be shocked when we end up having to use someone else as a closer because Paul decided to use his closer when we weren't winning.

He just had a really, really, really crappy day as a coach last night. And, if he left it all up to Dunn. Then, Dunn had a really, really, really crappy day as a pitching coach last night.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:39 am to
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Bouman hasn't gone 7 all year
yeah, but he threw 64 last night. He threw 90 in his last outing against Arkansas. Threw 75 against Auburn, 73 against Vandy, 83 against Yale...and those are just the high pitch counts when he got the decision. I didn't go did through every game he started.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:40 am to
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he went 7 against Yale


ok he went 7 in one of the first few weekends of the season playing a crappy yale team.

Bouman hasn't gone 7 since SEC play began.

Posted by PurpleAndGold86
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:41 am to
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Putting in McCune. Cune has cost us several games this year. He should not have been the first reliever off the bench.


How was this a mistake? McCune pitched fine in the 7th inning. Faced the minimum number of hitters.

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Throwing Broussard in the 9th of a tie game.

This was the right decision.

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He had a terrible start to the 7th

He walked ONE hitter and then had to throw about 5 or 6 pitches to get out of the inning

You would do SO much better managing a baseball team. You know it and I know it.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:45 am to
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ok he went 7 in one of the first few weekends of the season playing a crappy yale team.

Bouman hasn't gone 7 since SEC play began.
who cares about the inning? look at the pitch count. that's what actually matters. Bouman threw 90 in his previous start against Arkansas in the SEC Tourney. I think he could've handled more than the 64 pitches he threw last night.

Paul got cute and it backfired.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:45 am to
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How was this a mistake? McCune pitched fine in the 7th inning. Faced the minimum number of hitters.


McCune did not pitch fine in the 7th. He got lucky. It was painfully obvious.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:46 am to
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He got lucky. It was painfully obvious.

You're retarded.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:47 am to
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1. Pulling Bouman during a 2 hitter with only 64 pitches thrown. He's had games this year where he threw 83, 73, 75, and 90 pitches. It is absolutely inexcusable for him to get yanked dominating like he was.


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2. Putting in McCune. Cune has cost us several games this year. He should not have been the first reliever off the bench.



McCune has also won us some games.

Extras in Ole Miss
SEC champ vs Florida

may be a couple others but he has been good as of late, the only bad outings I remember were earlier in the season. CPM trusted that McCune would have given him a good inning and after he only threw 10 pitches he thought give him the 8th to he is pitching well.

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3. Leaving in McCune. He had a terrible start to the 7th and got bailed out on a terrible bunt/double play. Coach should have taken a deep breath and thanked God and then taken McCune's jersey, hat, and glove away. Sending him out in the 8th was terrible. At worst, should've been pulled after the first batter.



he didn't have terrible start to the 7th he walked a guy than with good defense got out of it. 10 pitch inning facing the minimum is a good start no matter how those outs come.

I think there is a good reason CPM did what he did, whir it didn't work and I think he should have done something different I think he had a good reason to do what he did.

McCune with the bases loaded 0 outs there was a lefty in the hole.

Fury and Person are warming up in the pen.

He could bring in Fury to face two straight righties than bring in person to face the left, but the problem is if we don't get three straight outs you have person facing a righty who he isn't good against. Broussard may not be warm in time to come in.

I believe McCune stayed in because of match ups.

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4. Throwing Broussard in the 9th of a tie game. Coach just used his closer for 3 innings in a game we lost. I can't imagine that Broussard will be available today. Don't be shocked when we end up having to use someone else as a closer because Paul decided to use his closer when we weren't winning.



I strongly disagree with this. If LSU scores one run you don't have to play today. It was very clear that Broussard should have pitched last night.

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He just had a really, really, really crappy day as a coach last night. And, if he left it all up to Dunn. Then, Dunn had a really, really, really crappy day as a pitching coach last night.


CPM made maybe one mistake by staying with McCune to long, but other than that he made the right decisions. Many of you people over react to one bad decision.
Posted by tigerinthebayou
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:47 am to
I'd also add to that list not walking Cervants or however the frick you spell it with first base open when the dude had seemingly been on base all the time.....as far as Bouman to me I look at it like this. The best available arms we had were his and Broussards. Broussard wasn't coming in in the 7th. So the best available arm was the one still in the game. Let him pitch the 7th then you absolutely couldve let Broussard pitch the final two and we'd be looking to see who we play next week instead of worrying abiut tonight.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:49 am to
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who cares about the inning? look at the pitch count. that's what actually matters. Bouman threw 90 in his previous start against Arkansas in the SEC Tourney. I think he could've handled more than the 64 pitches he threw last night.

Paul got cute and it backfired.


CPM trusted McCune would give him a good outing. I mean he did close a game against the #2 seed in the Tourney. He has also had other good outings. I don't think CPM knew that McCune would collapse in the 8th.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:51 am to
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The best available arms we had were his and Broussards. Broussard wasn't coming in in the 7th. So the best available arm was the one still in the game. Let him pitch the 7th then you absolutely couldve let Broussard pitch the final two and we'd be looking to see who we play next week instead of worrying abiut tonight.
not just that, but Bouman was done for the weekend the minute you pull him. he still had another 20 or so pitches left in him. And, you could've had McCune in the pen ready if that's what you wanted to do. But, you pulled a guy with a low pitch count and a 2-hitter and can't get those 20-25 pitches back.

and now, we've thrown Broussard 3 innings in a losing effort and he won't be available tonight.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:53 am to
McCune did not pitch a good 7th inning. I don't know how anyone can watch that and not see how lucky he was that the guy bunted into a double play and that the ball bounced straight up off the first base bag. McCune looked like he was going to blow it 5 pitches into the 7th. He got lucky, plain and simple. And we should've replaced him for the 8th.

At the minimum, he should've been replaced after the first batter in the 8th.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:53 am to
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I don't think CPM knew that McCune would collapse in the 8th.
he walked the first batter he faced in the 7th. He should've never had the chance in the 8th.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:56 am to
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not just that, but Bouman was done for the weekend the minute you pull him. he still had another 20 or so pitches left in him. And, you could've had McCune in the pen ready if that's what you wanted to do. But, you pulled a guy with a low pitch count and a 2-hitter and can't get those 20-25 pitches back.



wait so CPM is suppose to plan for Monday when he is up by 4 in a win and move on game?

Also he is supposed to know that we would go 11 innings?

Bringing in McCune in the 7th is fine.
He extended him to long.

other than that he didn't make bad decisions.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:59 am to
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he walked the first batter he faced in the 7th. He should've never had the chance in the 8th.



he threw 10 pitches in the 7th.

and got them in order that is enough to deserve the 8th.
Posted by TigerDog83
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:06 am to
The mistakes were leaving Mccune in after the crazy bad luck play at first and loading the bases. You have to figure that a play like that at first losing the sure out would rattle your pitcher a little bit. The other glaring mistake was allowing Broussard in the 11th to pitch to their leadoff man and really one of their only 2 or 3 dangerous hitters. He should have been walked or pitched around with a free base to pitch to the RH on deck.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:17 am to
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he threw 10 pitches in the 7th.

and got them in order
he did not get them in order. did you even watch the 7th? the 2nd batter was out at first base, then the 1st batter was tagged out at second base. that's not in order. And, you must be the only person on the planet to watch that and not realize how lucky we were to have the end result we got from that.

Putting in your closer in the 9th with a tie game shows me you are willing to let him throw 3 innings. I can't fathom why we didn't just put Broussard in for the 8th if Paul was willing to let him go more than one inning.


I'm done arguing. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think that Paul screwed up by pulling Bouman and the rest of the mistakes just piled up. You disagree and think that Paul is infallible. I get it.
Posted by tigerinthebayou
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:18 am to
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wait so CPM is suppose to plan for Monday when he is up by 4 in a win and move on game?



What would leaving Bouman in have anything to do with planning for Monday. What did you see out of Bouman to think man now is the time to get this guy. Sure he doesn't miss bats cause that's not the pitcher he is. He pitches to contact but last night did a great job of it. Run him out for the 7th . If he ran into trouble you relieve him if he continues cruising you're now in Broussard territory. I just don't understand the move to pull Bouman when you knew he was faring well against the Houston lineup and had a low pitch count.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 9:21 am
Posted by High C
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:41 am to
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Honestly, if CPM didn't have it in his head to start the game that Bouman would go 5-6 then I think he stays in the game


But you want your players to make adjustments? I disagree with the way CPM has handled his third starters all year. He has had plenty of time to extend those guys, I'm talking both Bouman and Cartwright, and has refused to do it. This isn't the first time that one of those two has gotten a quick hook after 4,5, or 6 when he was cruising. There is no reason that a college starter shouldn't be able to go at least 90 pitches at this point in the season other than injury.
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