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re: Does a 7-5 regular season get Miles fired??
Posted on 4/22/10 at 8:56 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Posted on 4/22/10 at 8:56 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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LSU was housed in the Top 20 at years end and not the mediocre 20.
Spin it all you want, but being ranked in the Top 20 of all college football teams is not a negative and neither is it an example of mediocrity.
If things are still at the point where going 9-4, losing the SEC West by three games plus a tiebreaker, being eliminated from the SEC race a month before the title game, losing a bowl and finishing #17 in the country is considered success at LSU, then there is no hope and no future for our football program.
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Posted on 4/22/10 at 8:59 pm to matt314
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Let me explain it. You're bragging on Miles wins and the point is he plays 12 game plus a bowl The bowl nowadays is just about mandatory for LSU. In Mac's day you played 10 and had to earn a bowl. You can't get wins if you don't play games. LSU's best team under Mac went 9-1 and declined a bowl game.
When LSU goes 6-6 and plays in the New Orleans bowl than come back and talk. Til then your bowl argument doesn't hold any water. Miles has yet to play a cupcake bowl.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:01 pm to Choctaw
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8-4
10-3
8-5
13-1
9-3
Actually...it was about average for back then. There was one "much better" season.
Again you fail to see the trend and understand circumstances. Sure, we struggled to a 26-12 record in the first three years of rebuilding a program that was on life support when a certain coach got here. But, by 2003, the rebuilding was done. We got screwed out of an SEC West title at Auburn in 2004 and had one more not so great season that year, but the pieces were in place to take off from there. So, 2004 was the "down" year between a national championship and a top-5 hurricane-damaged season. 2000 and 2002 don't really have much relevance, considering what we were having to rebuild from. That we even did as well as we did in 2001 was a testament to great coaching.
Now, 9-4, losing the SEC West by three games, being eliminated from the SEC race a month before the title game, losing a bowl and finishing #17 in the country with a senior-laden team that loses 13 starters for what promises to be an absolutely miserable 2010 is the big payoff for waiting through the disaster of 2008.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:09 pm to Nuts4LSU
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If things are still at the point where going 9-4, losing the SEC West by three games plus a tiebreaker, being eliminated from the SEC race a month before the title game, losing a bowl and finishing #17 in the country is considered success at LSU, then there is no hope and no future for our football program.
you do understand there is a gray area between success and mediocre, right?
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:09 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:With five years at the helm, a tribute to CLM's ability to put together brilliant player development programs for those top recruiting classes he bags every year, along with an exceptional assistant coaching staff to devise amazing game plans and playbook magic to baffle the opposing teams and utilize all that vaunted LSU talent in the most appropriate ways.
Now, 9-4, losing the SEC West by three games, being eliminated from the SEC race a month before the title game, losing a bowl and finishing #17 in the country with a senior-laden team...
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:09 pm to Choctaw
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When LSU goes 6-6 and plays in the New Orleans bowl than come back and talk. Til then your bowl argument doesn't hold any water. Miles has yet to play a cupcake bowl.
You continue to either miss or avoid the point. It's not difficult math. Comparing 5 years of seasons where one has a chance to win at least 58 or more games and up to 61 and the another could only play 54 if they did great and 50 if mediocre and the one playing 60 or more has an opportunity to win more games.
If you want to argue with that you can do it with yourself. Seems like a habit for you.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:13 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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08
7-5 in the regular season, 7th in the SEC, Peach Bowl, and non-ranked.
09
9-3 in the regular season, 3rd in the SEC, Capital One Bowl, and nationally ranked.
Where is the "wrong direction"?
2003-07: 56-10, 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC titles, 2 National titles, 3 BCS bowl wins, 5 top 25 finishes, 4 top 5 finishes
2008-09: 17-9, 8-8 in SEC, 1 top 25 finish, 0 top 15 finishes, 0 BCS bowl appearances
Do you see it now?
This post was edited on 4/22/10 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:14 pm to matt314
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You continue to either miss or avoid the point. It's not difficult math. Comparing 5 years of seasons where one has a chance to win at least 58 or more games and up to 61 and the another could only play 54 if they did great and 50 if mediocre and the one playing 60 or more has an opportunity to win more games.
Do you understand the concept of winning percentage?
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:15 pm to Choctaw
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Do you understand the concept of winning percentage?
I think he does. And he also understands how it can be padded with the likes of ULL, ULM, La. Tech, etc.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:16 pm to Choctaw
quote:of a program in obvious distress? Hint: LSU right now.
Do you understand the concept
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:16 pm to Choctaw
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you do understand there is a gray area between success and mediocre, right?
The absence of success = mediocrity
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
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2003-07: 56-10, 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC titles, 2 National titles, 3 BCS bowl wins, 5 top 25 finishes, 4 top 5 finishes
2008-09: 17-9, 8-8 in SEC, 1 top 25 finish, 0 top 15 finishes, 0 BCS bowl appearances
Do you see it now?
I could go through every coach in the country thats considered good or even great and find two subpar years....but i won't. I guess you would've fired Bear Bryant after the 1970 season.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:19 pm to Choctaw
quote:We knew Bear Bryant. CLM is no Bear Bryant.
I guess you would've fired Bear Bryant after the 1970 season.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:20 pm to Choctaw
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I guess you would've fired Bear Bryant after the 1970 season.
no, but he would have fired Les after the TN loss in 2005 to prevent the 3-8 season he predicted...
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:21 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I think he does. And he also understands how it can be padded with the likes of ULL, ULM, La. Tech, etc.
or it can be hurt with the likes of UAB, ULL, etc.
even McClendon lost to Rice and Tulane. Saban had cupcakes while he was here too. You play the games on the schedule...thankfully, Miles has won a vast majority of them.
This post was edited on 4/22/10 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:21 pm to Choctaw
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Miles isn't the first LSU coach to schedule easier schools...remember UAB?
Yes, DiNardo and Joe Dean went to every length to weaken our schedules back in the mid-90s, which is why our OOC sucked so badly for several years after that.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:28 pm to Choctaw
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I could go through every coach in the country thats considered good or even great and find two subpar years....but i won't. I guess you would've fired Bear Bryant after the 1970 season.
Not surprisingly, you guess wrong again, but I guess that never gets old for someone who does it as often as you do.
In 1970, Bear Bryant had a very long resume` under his belt that included multiple national championships at Alabama and conference championships at schools that never heard of one. He didn't have a mediocre career artificially inflated by three years of riding the coattails of someone else who left him a powerhouse.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
There is not a single human being on this planet who, if his life depended on being right, would predict that Les Miles will win another SEC or national title at LSU. Not even Les Miles himself. Anybody who says they think he will is just lying to appear to be "supporting" the program by encouraging its destruction or deluding themselves because it makes them feel good to believe in fantasies that everyone knows aren't true.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:58 pm to Choctaw
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or it can be hurt with the likes of UAB, ULL, etc.
even McClendon lost to Rice and Tulane. Saban had cupcakes while he was here too. You play the games on the schedule...thankfully, Miles has won a vast majority of them.
And losing to TU helped Mac pack. Lost to them in what was already his last year. I think it's safe to say that Miles is in trouble if he loses to ULL. Or Troy (oh sorry, we almost did)
On a rough count 17 of that "vast" majority was against the ULL, TU's, Fresno, North Texas etc. I didn't count the lousy SEC teams like MSU and Vandy or the lousy PAC schools like AZ. So of those extra 10 or 12 games Miles gets to play in comparison to the old days all of them were wins against cupcakes.
I think those 10 guaranteed wins would help Les' percentage. At least as far as I understand percentages.
But I'll cede to your mathematical skills Sir Isaac.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 10:00 pm to JawjaTigah
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a tribute to CLM's ability to put together brilliant player development programs
This must be another ID nuts4lsu uses because two people couldn't be as stupid as you and him.
With Saban leaving after 04, who do you think developed the team that won our last title, you fricking idiot!
Posted on 4/22/10 at 10:04 pm to Tigerdandy
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With Saban leaving after 04, who do you think developed the team that won our last title,
I'll give him '05 because he handled Katrina very well, but Miles could have spent '06 and '07 in the Bahamas and we still would have done just as well...or better.
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