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re: Do you know people that still think Les Miles "sucks"?
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:28 pm to JonTheTigerFan
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:28 pm to JonTheTigerFan
Yes. They run the spectrum of focused totally on the NCG loss to thinking that LSU wins in spite of Les Miles.
I don't understand it at all. I don't like everything about Les, the closed practices, the lies about injuries, and the general paranoia. However, I recognize that these are traits shared by the majority of Coaches.
I think Les is a good mix of skills in the variety of roles that a Coach must fill. Recruiting, hiring assistants, creating a good team atmosphere, media relations, fan relations, high school relations, relationship with the Academic leadership of LSU, game planning, game day leadership, and game management.
Yes, he has his challenges with clock management but he has been good on "special plays" like onside kicks and fakes. I do think that those who dislike Miles tend to wait for a loss and then pounce. I did not agree with the QB thing last year, but I said that while we were in the middle of the 13 game streak not after the one loss.
I don't understand it at all. I don't like everything about Les, the closed practices, the lies about injuries, and the general paranoia. However, I recognize that these are traits shared by the majority of Coaches.
I think Les is a good mix of skills in the variety of roles that a Coach must fill. Recruiting, hiring assistants, creating a good team atmosphere, media relations, fan relations, high school relations, relationship with the Academic leadership of LSU, game planning, game day leadership, and game management.
Yes, he has his challenges with clock management but he has been good on "special plays" like onside kicks and fakes. I do think that those who dislike Miles tend to wait for a loss and then pounce. I did not agree with the QB thing last year, but I said that while we were in the middle of the 13 game streak not after the one loss.
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Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:29 pm to TheSexecutioner
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You say two examples as if they were small errors. They are both unforgivably stupid IMO. And it isn't just two errors, those are just the most egregious. You also have 07 Auburn, end of half vs '10 Arkansas, 1/9/12, insisting on sticking with Jefferson.
u would realize there are other good coachs who have made simular mistakes if you watched other teams play
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:29 pm to The Ramp
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simply put EVERY les miles hater i've encountered only watchs LSU. they don't see simular mistakes made by Saban, Spurrier, Meyer, etc...
Link me something from those coaches that is even in the same ballpark as the two links I posted in terms of stupidity. There might be some, but don't act like people pick on Les Miles game management because the grass is always greener. He is objectively a fool in his game management, even by the piss poor standards that are expected out of football coaches.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:30 pm to JonTheTigerFan
Yep, they seem to love to post how dumb he is and how bad of a coach he is evey Saturday on Facebook. I just 
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:31 pm to TheSexecutioner
Look. I agree with you. No one was more infuriated with Miles than I was after those games, especially Tenn. and Ole Miss. While I will never forget the overwhelming and unrivaled stupidity from those games, I still love Les as our coach. He has done a fantastic job recruiting, won more games in a shorter time than any other LSU coach and is a great person as well.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:31 pm to dreaux
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bama, Texas, USC, Florida all recruit better
I will take issue with this statement. According to recruiting services, this is true. However, recruiting services cater to that list of fanbases to the point that recruiting rankings have very little credibility. The results on Saturdays and on draft day suggest that Miles is one of the best 2 or 3 recruiters out there.
I have not analyzed it, but I would guess that more of Miles' sub "4-star" recruits become great college and/or NFL-drafted players that any of the coaches at the institutions you mentioned.
Miles is a great recruiter that has a great eye for talent at most positions (QB being the exception). He maintains a great staff and maybe the best strength and conditioning program. He is a great guy that has the respect of his players. He is a players coach that is not opposed to heavy disciplining of players (in most cases). Most seasons he does a great job of preventing the team from peaking too early. He presents himself as a bit of a buffoon at times, but I believe that is a snake-in-the-grass maneuver on his past in most cases. I think he manages special teams better than any college coach I have ever seen...and that included Beamer.
On the negative, he has improved, but is still not a good clock manager. His handling of QBs for the past two seasons was terrible, and he is sometimes to stubborn to admit his mistakes in personnel and game planning (1/9/12 is the prime example). I see his desire not to run up the score in tune-up games as a bit of a negative because it leaves us vulnerable if our 1st QB goes down (2nd string guy gets almost no passing reps).
All in all, he is a great head coach...one of the top 5 for sure.
I will eventually forget about decision not to change QBs in the last two games of last season. So far, that has not happened.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:33 pm to The Ramp
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u would realize there are other good coachs who have made simular mistakes if you watched other teams play
I do. It is my opinion that pretty much all coaches foul up game management to incredible extents and a complete overhaul of the position need be done(e.g. a statistician should handle calling timeouts, deciding when to punt, when to kick, when to go on 4th, go for two, etc) Coaches are completely unqualified to make the decisions that they do, especially when they use only guesswork. However, Les Miles is, by far, the worst I've ever seen.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:33 pm to TheSexecutioner
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You say two examples as if they were small errors. They are both unforgivably stupid IMO. And it isn't just two errors, those are just the most egregious. You also have 07 Auburn, end of half vs '10 Arkansas, 1/9/12, insisting on sticking with Jefferson.
How do you feel about the end of the 2002 Arkansas game or the end of the 2004 Capital One Bowl? How about UAB in Tiger Stadium in 2000 I think? Do you think Saban made some great decisions last year when he kept trying 50 yard field goals with mediocre kickers instead of trying to flip the field?
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:36 pm to Drew Orleans
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o one was more infuriated with Miles than I was after those games, especially Tenn. and Ole Miss. While I will never forget the overwhelming and unrivaled stupidity from those games, I still love Les as our coach.
Fair enough. You forgive him. There are some levels of stupidity I won't excuse. He can never win me back. Maybe I am not as results driven and focus more on the process when evaluating coaches. Until somebody justifies the complete lack of brains shown in the links I posted, I will continue to think he sucks.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:36 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Link me something from those coaches that is even in the same ballpark as the two links I posted in terms of stupidity. There might be some, but don't act like people pick on Les Miles game management because the grass is always greener. He is objectively a fool in his game management, even by the piss poor standards that are expected out of football coaches.
i can tell you don't watch other football right there. don't lie...u only watch lsu and sometimes bama? u compare every les miles decision to saban. the man's record speaks for itself. u focus on three or four mistakes (and i agree) as if that was the standard for all 100 games he's coached here. it's time to move on or go follow bama full time
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:38 pm to JonTheTigerFan
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How do you feel about the end of the 2002 Arkansas game or the end of the 2004 Capital One Bowl? How about UAB in Tiger Stadium in 2000 I think? Do you think Saban made some great decisions last year when he kept trying 50 yard field goals with mediocre kickers instead of trying to flip the field?
not too mention the poorly handled QB fiasco of the 2004 season. or him getting the nfl and college rules mixed up in the 2003 NC game. but les miles haters conviently forget this.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:38 pm to Bear Is Dead
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Many. Im in Monroe
the retardation up here is strong(family included) it's unbearable!!
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:39 pm to JonTheTigerFan
My dad is one. He doesn't think he sucks, but doubts his ability to go the distance again. He constantly compares him to Saban. I have to bring out the Les Vs. Saban record constantly as well as Les' winning percentage. Some people will never let go of the Saban love affair.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:43 pm to JonTheTigerFan
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How do you feel about the end of the 2002 Arkansas game or the end of the 2004 Capital One Bowl? How about UAB in Tiger Stadium in 2000 I think? Do you think Saban made some great decisions last year when he kept trying 50 yard field goals with mediocre kickers instead of trying to flip the field?
Very different situations. Saban probably chose the wrong choice out of two options, one better than the other. Miles chose the option that had zero value to it. There is no conceivable reason to not call a timeout against Ole Miss. There is a reason to try to kick a FG, even if it isn't a good enough of one.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:47 pm to The Ramp
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i can tell you don't watch other football right there. don't lie...u only watch lsu and sometimes bama? u compare every les miles decision to saban. the man's record speaks for itself. u focus on three or four mistakes (and i agree) as if that was the standard for all 100 games he's coached here. it's time to move on or go follow bama full time
What? No, I watch a ton of football. Both NFL and College. I have not once brought up the Saban comparison. I was asked to compare them.
If I was to compare Miles to somebody, it would be Mark D'antonio, who I believe is worlds ahead of any coach in the college game right now in terms of his game management.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:53 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Until somebody justifies the complete lack of brains shown in the links I posted, I will continue to think he sucks.
Les continues to bring top talent to LSU. He has LSU competing for the SEC Championship and National Championship every year. What more can you ask of him? You think he sucks because of two games a couple of years ago? Have you noticed those clock management issues have gone away since Crowton was fired?
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:53 pm to TheSexecutioner
I have a simple question for the Miles haters (who are almost always clueless)...
Who do we replace him with? Who is a better coach?
This usually ends the conversation because Saban is arguably the only coach out there anyone with any Football knowledge would take over Miles..,
Who do we replace him with? Who is a better coach?
This usually ends the conversation because Saban is arguably the only coach out there anyone with any Football knowledge would take over Miles..,
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:54 pm to TheSexecutioner
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You say two examples as if they were small errors. They are both unforgivably stupid IMO. And it isn't just two errors, those are just the most egregious. You also have 07 Auburn, end of half vs '10 Arkansas, 1/9/12, insisting on sticking with Jefferson.
'07 Auburn is a retarded example. We won the fricking game and even if that pass was incomplete, we kick the FG with no time remaining.
I assume you're talking about the frick up ON the field by the players before this half at Arkansas? Do you want Miles to go out there and try to make the plays himself?
The 1/9 decision to play JJ was just a decision, albeit a BAD decision. At least it was one of the 2 options he had and not just a boneheaded frick up. Isn't that what you implied to me about Saban trying to kick field goals from midfield? You're just a troll who hates Les Miles at all costs. I know people like you and they're all miserable people.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:55 pm to Chimlim
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Have you noticed those clock management issues have gone away since Crowton was fired?
No.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:55 pm to TheSexecutioner
Mark D'Antonio, seen it. He is the Kasparov of clock management.
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