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re: Did anyone clarify the "leading with your helmet" call on the whiff?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:36 pm to duboisd
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:36 pm to duboisd
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Rule 9-1-4 Defenseless Player: Contact to Head and Neck Area.
No player shall target or initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, elbow, or shoulder. When in question it is a foul.
Rule 2-27-14 defines a defenseless player as a receiver whose focus is on catching a pass (there were five others).
None of that was called. The call was unnecessary roughness. How can you have unnecessary roughness WITHOUT contact? It was a horrible call.
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Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:37 pm to duboisd
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OldBeach, if you make any contact with a receiver's head or neck, that call will be made 99% of the time.
OK, but what if you don't actually make contact?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:37 pm to drexyl
The rule says "No player shall target or initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, elbow, or shoulder. When in question it is a foul."
That sounds like it should have been called in the past when it wasn't. Once again LSU is #1. Setting precedence and shite.
That sounds like it should have been called in the past when it wasn't. Once again LSU is #1. Setting precedence and shite.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:37 pm to TheDoc
Ya'll are looking at the helmet to helmet contact part. He did attempt and miss contact with his helmet, but he did make contact to the player's head as he went over top of him. Trust me, I was yelling at the TV during the game, but it will be called all year, I guarantee it.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:37 pm to duboisd
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No player shall target or initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, elbow, or shoulder. When in question it is a foul.
i'm pretty sure loston did make contact with his shoulder on the WRs head
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:38 pm to JJ27
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None of that was called. The call was unnecessary roughness.
that rule on the field is "unnecessary roughness"
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:38 pm to junkfunky
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That sounds like it should have been called in the past when it wasn't.
it's a relatively new rule
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Some years have rules that are emphasis rules, and this is one of them this year.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:39 pm to JJ27
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None of that was called. The call was unnecessary roughness.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that rule on the field is "unnecessary roughness"
Typically they specify why though. It was just a generic unnecessary roughness call.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:40 pm to TheDoc
I thought the call was correct and I was extremely pissed at Loston for the stupid play. 3rd and 17 with the receiver 4 yards short of the first down
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:40 pm to duboisd
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Some years have rules that are emphasis rules, and this is one of them this year.
yeah i think 2009 was its first year, and outside of some early games it wasn't called much
but in both 2010 and 2011 is has been official a rule they're emphasizing
this is why chad jones got the PF against arky in 2009, fwiw
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's a relatively new rule
My point is it wasn't called much (if any) last year.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:42 pm to Tigerbait337
IMO.. it looked like he meant to hit the receiver higher however, whiffed and then tucked his head to complete a front roll.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:43 pm to junkfunky
JunkFunky, you are right. This year a new rule book came out effective for this year and next. Page FR-8 is titled "Points of Emphasis" and the first rule is protection of defenseless players AND crown-of-helmet action. They are actually two separate rules in the rule book.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:44 pm to junkfunky
If I'm not mistaken Loston hit the guy in the head with his forearm.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:44 pm to duboisd
This year we have to report every time a player's helmet comes off during a play. In clinics this year they talked about doing something to stop this, like maybe a delay of game penalty or charging the team a timeout. The new rule book that comes out in 2013 may have something about that.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:46 pm to TheDoc
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i've never seen an "attempted personal foul" before
this. there's a phrase in the book about 'attempting to punish', but even then.. that's far away from whiffing
if he hit the WR in the head, with his helmet or his shoulder, as much as i dislike the call (sometimes that's the only place you can get to) , it's a penalty.
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:51 pm to TheDoc
man if it was going to be called anyway I atleast would have liked for him to lay the hit. That had knock out written all over it.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 12:52 pm to bmy
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if he hit the WR in the head, with his helmet or his shoulder, as much as i dislike the call (sometimes that's the only place you can get to) , it's a penalty.
i'm 99% sure his arm hit the helmet
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