re: Curtis Givens now entering portal

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his numbers are magnificent.

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Tugler: 22 mpg; 52% FG; 54% FT, 3 orb; 3 drb; 6 trb; 1 steal, 2 blocks, 6 ppg

Chest: 20 mpg, 61% FG, 45% FT; 2 orb; 4 drb, 6 trb; 1 steal, 1 block, 6 ppg

By your logic, so does Chest. They have nearly identical numbers

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chest is like emmit Williams. incredible athlete but not hugely skilled at basketball. whereas tugler is very skilled at play around the basket.

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Tugler's scoring is all putbacks and dunks. He rarely takes shots away from the rim....just like Chest.

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I think you are a little to eager to find ways to imagine McMahon has failed

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I don't have to be too eager. It's not particularly difficult to find ways.

They are the same exact player. The ONLY difference is one plays for a great coach who knows how to play to the strengths of his roster. The other play(ed) for a guy who no one knows what his approach is

The guy says that Tugler “was easily the best player on that Houston team”. He has no idea what he’s talking about.

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By your logic, so does Chest. They have nearly identical numbers

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I was actually referencing the metrics here:

houston

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and LSU

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these numbers show tugler to be the best player on an awesome team and chest to be 6th best on a shite team. and a net negative on offense.

"BPR: Bayesian Performance Rating is the sum of a player’s OBPR and DBPR. This rating is the ultimate measure of a player’s overall value to his team when he is on the floor. BPR is interpreted as the number of points per 100 possessions better than the opponent the player’s team is expected to be if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better."

I think those numbers are more reflective of player performance than the simple stats. chest is far worse. he will get better, but as of now he was just decent. tugler was a masterful defender and pretty effective offensive player.

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Tugler's scoring is all putbacks and dunks. He rarely takes shots away from the rim....just like Chest

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correct we agree that they are the same type of player, we disagree that they are the same talent level doing those skills they both do.

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They are the same exact player. The ONLY difference is one plays for a great coach who knows how to play to the strengths of his roster. The other play(ed) for a guy who no one knows what his approach is

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I am a fan of chest and like his style and I hope he does becomes that level of player, altho maybe not because he is at ole miss. but as of right now I think the comparison is absurd. everything about Houston was far higher level than LSU was, chest included.

I understand your frustration with the coach. I don't think you are as sophisticated as you think you are (no offense) I don't think you know the talent well enough to say if it is being under-utilized. maybe the players were just bad. maybe the conference really was awesome. and maybe with a little more cash they can upgrade and compete.

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You really need to

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I don't need to do shite homie

Eager to find ways McMahon has failed??????

Helen Keller could find multiple ways McMahon has failed. And she can't hear, see, smell, or spit.

ANYONE that doesn't realize by now that this coach ABSOLUTELY SUCKS is being willfully ignorant, or they're just plain stupid.

We were fine with Wade. Now we're not fine without him. I'm praying for a miracle that we can hire a coach that elevated us to where Tenn, AUB and bama are now. There's no good reason that we can't find and hire that guy.