re: Curtis Givens now entering portal

now I know you are gonna try to claim I am putting words in your mouth and scream "straw man lol" and moved goalposts and hahaha and all manner of nonsense.

and I know this is a mistake to try to ask you for any clarification whatsoever, because you only have one goal and that's to repeat lol hypocrite liar etc over and over. but I will try anyway.

what exactly is your claim here, that chest is better than tugler?

I am not claiming that is your position I am asking if it is.

now, I repeat I am not saying this is your opinion. I am asking. who do you think is a better player chest or tugler?

tugler had a higher obpr than cam Carter (LSU's best offensive player)

I am gonna say this a third time: I am not saying you are making any claim whatsoever. I am not constructing a straw man. I claim I that I have no idea what you think and you are the sole person with the authority to state your opinion. I am merely asking a question. please refrain from making an angry outburst or using the words "move goalposts, hypocrite, straw man".

its a simple question, do you think chest is better or worse than tugler?

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There’s no data to support this statement.

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I see, let me try again:

its a simple question, do you think chest is better or worse than tugler?

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Try again?

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yes. let me try a 4th time. I am gonna try 6 total times and then give up.

I have a simple question here.

its a simple question, do you think chest is better or worse than tugler?

I know you want to accuse everyone of being dishonest liars and awful clown losers and goalpost moving disingenuous liars. that's fine, great. but the topic is basketball and we were comparing two players. I am curious on your position. I am not trying to put any words in your mouth, just asking a simple question:

its a simple question, do you think chest is better or worse than tugler?

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I don’t accuse anyone of anything

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I think it would be fair to say you accuse people of lots of things, including dishonesty

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You’re dishonest

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yeah, I know, you said that a thousand times.

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try making better arguments

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I wasn't arguing anything I was trying to clarify your position with polite questions. lets put aside the animosity for a second and get back on topic.

I was thinking about players like chest and how much they contribute on balance relative to other similar players. like tugler over at houston. he is a similar player.

its a simple question, do you think chest is better or worse than tugler?

Must be

“advanced stats show tugler to be easily the best player on that Houston team.”



Thank you, I knew if I gave you some rope you’d hang yourself.

Yes, you’re looking at em wrong lmao. You couldn’t be looking at them more wrong if you tried, almost as if you’re being intentionally misleading.

Do you have any self awareness at all? Do you even know what it is?

I'll jump in since I made the comparison. I think Tugler and Chest are largely the same player. The difference was the program/coaches they played for. If you put Chest on Houston the last two seasons he's probably putting up similar numbers to Tugler. Maybe not Big 12 Defensive POY, but a big impact player for a program/coach that places a big emphasis on those types of players (Chest was offered by Houston out of HS). On the flip side, if you put Tugler on LSU, he probably has the same impact Chest had at LSU (including the wasted 1 year redshirt).

We are in year 4 now of everyone getting excited in April about players...only by February changing their opinion to those same guys being "bad" or "not that good". Here's a wild thought. Maybe that's not a result of all 20+ such players being overrated in the offseason. Maybe its the one constant during that whole time being the anchor?