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re: Crowton's Offense - Was it overly package based?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 11:04 am to 7thWardTiger
Posted on 5/23/11 at 11:04 am to 7thWardTiger
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Lsudm made it seem like no other team in the nation has ever ran the ball out of the shotgun from the goal line.
I think you misunderstood what he was saying
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Posted on 5/23/11 at 11:05 am to 7thWardTiger
His point was mass substituting with 14 secs left and the clock running, not the type of play/formation.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 11:10 am to 7thWardTiger
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Very serious. Lsudm made it seem like no other team in the nation has ever ran the ball out of the shotgun from the goal line. There's plenty of other videos just like it. Just watch Tebow, Cam, Oregon highlights. It's not uncommon to run the ball from the shotgun on the goal line
Wow......... talk about a total fail of reading comprehension.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 12:38 pm to LSUdm21
That queston should be in a GEICO comercial!
Posted on 5/23/11 at 12:46 pm to INFIDEL
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To clearify things his plays were complex but it was all about packages and you knew what he was running by the packages on the field, but the plays themselves were a cluster fuk
Good offenses do 50 things out of three sets. Crowton's offense tried to do 2 things out of 50 different sets.
Now that sounds familiar!!
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:04 pm to GoDucks349
When I first joined I talked smack about crowton and was laughed at. Funny how things have worked out
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:36 pm to LSUintheNW
We tried to warn you guys back then as did Utah and BYU fans. It's ok though, he's Maryland's problem now. I just wish that you guys would have kept him just for that game at Jerry World though....
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:38 pm to LSUdm21
Yea. We was on 2 different wave lengths. I thought you meant no teams run from the gun around the goal line. My b.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:59 pm to goducks75
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We tried to warn you guys back then
I was doing the same once I joined. The day he left Oregon everyone here (state of oregon) was happy but when I found out where he was headed it was a sad day for me.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:02 pm to LSUintheNW
I don't think it was packages so much as he ran the same type play. My girlfriend, who knows football about as much as I know brodway plays could have called the option to the short side, or ridley up the middle. Then throw in a play action pass with JJ scrambling to the right with a cross over the middle of the field, and there ya go, LSUs offense. We should stick to base formations, and maybe only use a spell hb, a dual hb, and maybe a hb in the slot.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:12 pm to INFIDEL
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Good offenses do 50 things out of three sets. Crowton's offense tried to do 2 things out of 50 different sets.
this is what i observed the most about crowton's offense. the defenses (and many of the fans) seemed to anticipate most plays.
Posted on 5/24/11 at 7:19 am to LSU GrandDad
It's amazing that an offense can be predictable that regular folks can predict the play, and yet so complicated that the players have trouble learning it and you can't run three plays in 32 seconds.
Posted on 5/24/11 at 7:26 am to just me
Too complex for quarterbacks that cant think fast or throw accurately
Posted on 5/24/11 at 7:34 am to LSU GrandDad
Crowton's offense was a combination of poor QB coaching and a confusing scheme. In his first season, when opposing coaches don't know what to expect and he has a properly coached QB - his offense works great. Once you start breaking down his offense on film, you see that certain formations give plays away right off the bat.
Once coaches caught on to him, he let the defense dictate what he did. This was his biggest weakness imo. When Crowton's offense was dictating the game, it was great to watch. Unfortunatley, after 2007, those games were few and far between. He tried too much, at BYU he apparently came up with brand new plays in different formations 2 days before a game....and called those plays during the game. Heard this from a BYU fan, take it fwiw. Not completley unbelieveable though.
Poor development of QBs don't help either. Crowton would probably be the best OC in the country if he had a good QB coach and game film did not exist.
Once coaches caught on to him, he let the defense dictate what he did. This was his biggest weakness imo. When Crowton's offense was dictating the game, it was great to watch. Unfortunatley, after 2007, those games were few and far between. He tried too much, at BYU he apparently came up with brand new plays in different formations 2 days before a game....and called those plays during the game. Heard this from a BYU fan, take it fwiw. Not completley unbelieveable though.
Poor development of QBs don't help either. Crowton would probably be the best OC in the country if he had a good QB coach and game film did not exist.
This post was edited on 5/24/11 at 7:38 am
Posted on 5/24/11 at 7:36 am to LockdownDefense
quote:How many QBs have succeeded in Crowton's system? (Not so fast, 2007 was not Crowton's system.)
Too complex for quarterbacks that cant think fast or throw accurately
How many QBs have have not succeeded in Crowton's system?
Posted on 5/24/11 at 10:32 am to INFIDEL
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Good offenses do 50 things out of three sets. Crowton's offense tried to do 2 things out of 50 different sets.
This is the nail on the head. And the predictability just means you could look at the package, down and distance and know what was coming. The QB's were so worried about running the right play, they didn't have time to worry about execution. Worst offense I have ever seen. It wasted a lot of talent.
Posted on 5/24/11 at 11:14 am to just me
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How many QBs have succeeded in Crowton's system?
I can only speak for Oregon but when he was here I can only think of Kellen Clemens back in 2005.
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How many QBs have have not succeeded in Crowton's system?
Dennis Dixon/Brady Leaf, Jordan Jefferson, and whoever started at QB for BYU in his last 3 years as HC there.
Posted on 5/24/11 at 11:17 am to goducks75
His best success was with senior qb's who were molded by someone else, otherwise all he did was confuse them.
This post was edited on 5/24/11 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/24/11 at 11:41 am to LSUintheNW
Good point, but at the same time Crowton was still a step up from Dudwig since Dudwig was even MORE predictable than Crowton.... For that reason I still give him credit for Clemens because Clemens' talents suited Crowton's offense far better than Dudwig's....
Posted on 5/24/11 at 11:56 am to goducks75
Can't believe tedford actually hired him. He was a dud but obviously did a little more teaching the tools than GC.
Eta....I also think hv was a little lucky with his last two successful teams. Neither were young or inexperienced. Imo many oc's could have done what he did.
Eta....I also think hv was a little lucky with his last two successful teams. Neither were young or inexperienced. Imo many oc's could have done what he did.
This post was edited on 5/24/11 at 12:00 pm
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