re: Crowton with a real QB

I <3 these threads.

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2) Implement drop down routes, especially in the no huddle offense. Stop calling three and four routes that all run 20+ yards down the field. Instead, design routes with deep, middle, and short reads. And, use your RB and TE as safety valves on covered routes.

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his offense has this. people are mad at j.j. for throwing a 4 yard pass on 3rd and 5. well, he has four guy's in the route and chooses the short one.

second, when you don't have a full back, you need your rb to block or run the middle screen, which they do.

if you go empty, the other team will blitz more than you can block. neither qb is capable of making the proper read/decision to get the ball out quickly. both get sacked.

the fact you guy's can't tell the offense has a deep, middle, and safety route tells me you are complaining about something you don't know anything about.

want to see good execution, a word you guy's haven't mentioned, see florida and how lee executed the plays called. 400 yards of offense. however, jefferson didn't execute the same plays.

check out bama, jefferson executed the plays called. made good reads and threw accurately. lit up what winded up being the top d in the s.e.c.

so, ask yourself this. how is it that this offense had their best days against the two best defenses they faced? if crowton is so dumb and doesn't know what to do, how the hell did that happen?

it's very simple, the players executed the plays that were called. he didn't stop calling the plays. the players stopped executing the play. and i mean, o-line blocking, wr catching, qb making the proper read and delivering an accurate pass timely.

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how is it that this offense had their best days against the two best defenses they faced?

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Because GC had his two best days playcalling in those games, exactly. He stuck with what worked, like the slant against UF. The problem is the other 10 games they make LSU play.

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Jesus Christ, man, I don't know what to tell you anymore.

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Yeah, I just finished.

I'm all about discussing football, but this like trying to discuss the merits of Dante's Inferno with someone who can't read.

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Yeah, I just finished.

I'm all about discussing football, but this like trying to discuss the merits of Dante's Inferno with someone who can't read.

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No kidding. Who knew I would run across 2 people today that are too stupid to insult?

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You literally just said that Jefferson's problem is that he locks on the first read.

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nope, said he doesn't make decisions.

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I'm sorry, did you just say that Lee "doesn't" have an accuracy problem?

For sanity's sake, I'm going to assume that you mean Lee doesn't have an accuracy problem within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.

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ut oh, you're saying it's talent and not crowton now.

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Let's not close the book on Brantly, Gilbert, and Manuel considering they are only sophomores.

Weatherford was serviceable under a bad O.C.

Lee never really played because he was behind Weatherford and Ponder

Marve lives hurt.

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manuel, same class as j.j., i believe brantley was a r.s. jr about to be a senior. when do you close the book?

manuel, brantley, marve, lee, weatherford get a pass. you should feel the same about them as j.j. or lee.

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Ever think they were put in a system that allowed then to succeed?

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well, why did brantley and gilber fail in the same system? it's the same system/coach ran by alex smith and colt mccoy.

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Why do you continue to ignore Crowton's past?

He had two NFL QBs in his system who played like complete dogshit in his offense.

Do you think that's just a coincidence?

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i didn't, go read. i addressed it. you talk in circles. you want to give jimbo credit for flynn. which i would probably agree. however, you say it's chip kelley with the same set of events. crowton coached dixon for three years, chip kelley gets him his sr season. which is it?

i know it's i don't like crowton, everything is his fault, it has to be him, every negative has to be him. it's a pre-concieved conclusion.

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He was hurt for 80% of his junior when most evaluations are done. The Rivals guys were saying he would have been ranked higher than the #8 passer had he not been hurt as a junior

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i know. and those rivals guys, they hit right with ronald curry, xavier lee, drew weatherford, robert marve, gilbert, brantley, christ, bradford, mccoy, breese, ect. didn't they.

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No kidding. Who knew I would run across 2 people today that are too stupid to insult

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so if someone doesn't agree with your "opinion" they are stupid. you must think a lot of people are stupid. grow up!

all i've done is try to make you think about something other than your pre-conceived conclusion. there is a real possibility you may not be right. just like you think i'm not.

i leave you with this to think about. Are you a coach? if the answer is yes, what level? if you aren't, then you, or whomever on this board, acting/stating they know more about plays being called than a man that has done it for over 20 years, is exactly the word you stated about me. pot meet kettle!

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No, someone who has the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader and can't grasp more than one moving part in a conversation at a time is whom I am referring to.

Like AM said, I am all for talking and analyzing football; but when the other party can't grasp every point thrown his way and chooses to ignore 90% of the data/opinions that crush his argument, then I realize it is a waste of time and leave.

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you know, i really didn't have a problem talking with you. i though we were civil. agreed on some points, disagreed on others. i was wrong for my first reply to your post in making a smart comment. after i realized you were ok, just had a different opinion, i stopped taking diggs at you.

moss is a totally different. he takes parts of what is said, quotes it, then plays his spin. i didn't value what he said at all. he doesn't make sense. he's not consistant with his point. he talks in circles. he thinks he could be an o.c. that cat is the know it all in the room that actually knows nothing. i call him out on his blanket statements.

i apologize if i offended you in some way. wasn't my intention.

i view these message boards as voice for the ignorant. anyone can get on here and say anything about anyone without consequence. And, they get to say anything, true or not, without putting their name to it. it's wrong. i don't like that.

i try and take a different approach. i try to give people another angle to think about. calm down on the hate. maybe it will be ok. maybe what you feel and see isn't accurate. maybe g.c. can turn it around next year. les did, didn't he?

we all love lsu, we all love football. why do we spew hate and negativity onto something we care about? i don't get it. if that is thinking like a 3rd grader, then guilty. if i'm stupid because i believe in our team, program, coach, then i'm guilty. i just don't believe anyone is perfect. everyone has flaws. this team, this coach, everyone. if you want perfection, then you will always be disappointed. we just finished 10-2. 10 wins or more in 4 out of 6 years. 9 wins or more in 5 out of six. times are good. try to enjoy them. a ton of fans would like to switch places.

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we all love lsu, we all love football. why do we spew hate and negativity onto something we care about?

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people are just differing in what they think the real problem is and stating their case as directly and honestly as they see it. All are imperfect, I know i am.

Yes, we all love LSU, and we all want to see true improvement, not just results. 10-2 is a good result, but the process was awful.

LSU can do much better.

Crowton is not a preferred OC, and our QB's have been woefully inadequate for 3 of his 4 years at LSU. Yes, there are predeccesor patterns at his previous teams that show a degradation after his first year, but you always have to look under the hood to see the reasons why. My point is that he, whether due in part or not to development, had very poor QB's to work with. The truth is that he did not develop them well, but in my opinion JJ is not "developable", and that is the biggest issue and reason why the LSU offense stunk.

Either way, JJ+Crowton is a putrid formula. Blame them both if you want to, but because we all love LSU football, do anything BUT bring back that combination.

That means 3 options:
Option 1 is replace Crowton.
Option 2 is replace JJ (with Mett, assuming he is fairly good as advertised)
Option 3 is to replace both of them.

I think the best option is option 3, to replace them both, but i do not see that happening.

As such, i prefer option 2, to replace JJ, because coached/developed or not, his progress has been very poor, and he has had more than a fair chance to improve. You can't just immune him and eliminate any accountability for his failure to learn, and they have (Miles and Crowton) have tailored the offense around him significantly.

Running JJ out there, Sr and third year starter or not, relies on some mythical assertion that he is going to get better. I recall last years assertion by many that we would see such a thing in his 2nd full year, and he got worse.

We need a change. LSU deserves better than the same thing next year.

LSU has too much talent to let one player/position lessen the overall team so significantly. That is what happened in 2009 and 2010, so we surely do not want to roll a bad pair of dice for the 4th year in a row. We can disagree on who's fault it has been getting to this point, but please please, don't be the definition of insanity and try it yet again !

I would be interested in what option folks see as the best BEGINNING next year.

For the OP--change your subject line to:
"A QB with a real Offensive Coordinator."