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Posted on 8/29/11 at 8:52 am to EricB
crowton is correct in saying it was miles offense, crowton still did a bad job of running the offense and developing the qbs. when your offense is 100+ in the nation then both the oc and the hc did a bad job offensively. but, we were 11-2 and thats all that matters. you can't win the sec every year.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 8:53 am to EricB
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Our offensive scheme in the cotton last year was the same as any other. Run up the middle. Run up the middle some more. The only difference was that we actually were successful running up the middle and I credit alot of that to some of Spencer Ware's demoralizing big plays in the beginning.
except for those times we ran to the outside and threw down field....but yea, besides that it was all "run up the middle".
Posted on 8/29/11 at 8:56 am to Choctaw
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ahh...the ole "coordinators get no blame because they're not the HC" argument. This logic is flawed.
I think you are purposefully dense when it comes to Les Miles. Let me show you:
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ahh...the ole "HEAD COACH gets no blame because he is not the coordinator" argument. This logic is flawed.
Simple question: Does Les Miles take any blame for our offensive failures last year? YES or NO
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 8:57 am
Posted on 8/29/11 at 8:58 am to theunknownknight
*crickets*
Posted on 8/29/11 at 8:59 am to theunknownknight
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Simple question: Does Les Miles take any blame for our offensive failures last year? YES or NO
yes
does Crowton? You know...that guy that coordinated the offense and coached the QBs...because according to your previous post he does not.
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If Crowton was the issue, why didn't Les step in and make the calls? If Les didn't step it, it's his fault the offense was horrid. If Les did step in, it's his fault the offense was horrid.
If the players weren't developing properly on offense why didn't Les step in and develop them? If Les didn't step it, it's his fault the players didn't develop. If Les did step in, it's his fault the players didn't develop.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:03 am to Choctaw
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does Crowton?
Yes. And I NEVER denied that. You set up some false argument with me that didn't exist. Congratulations on winning an argument with yourself.
Let me continue walking down Sesame Street with you.
First question: You admit Les,to a degree, is to blame for the offensive woes last year.
Next question: Who takes the ultimate responsibility for the performance of the football team? Les or Crowton?
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:05 am to theunknownknight
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Yes. And I NEVER denied that. You set up some false argument with me that didn't exist. Congratulations on winning an argument with yourself.
you've got a short memory
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If Crowton was the issue, why didn't Les step in and make the calls? If Les didn't step it, it's his fault the offense was horrid. If Les did step in, it's his fault the offense was horrid.
If the players weren't developing properly on offense why didn't Les step in and develop them? If Les didn't step it, it's his fault the players didn't develop. If Les did step in, it's his fault the players didn't develop.
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First question: You admit Les,to a degree, is to blame for the offensive woes last year.
this isn't a question
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Next question: Who takes the ultimate responsibility for the performance of the football team? Les or Crowton?
Les is responsible for the team...Crowton was responsible for the offense. thats why his arse got fired.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:05 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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I'll be at least 10 coaches told Lee to stop throwing off his back foot, it really isn't that hard to say, or hard to do, yet he didn't do it. Now Krags says don't do it and he magically self corrects?
That's like 'telling' a pitcher to quit throwing the ball low, something has to be fixed. In this case, improving Lee's pocket presence and decision making under pressure will fix this, it's not necessarily a mechanical problem. And yes, from the sound of it Krags is the first to apparently work on this with Lee.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:06 am to theunknownknight
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If Crowton was the issue, why didn't Les step in and make the calls? If Les didn't step it, it's his fault the offense was horrid. If Les did step in, it's his fault the offense was horrid.
The problem with the offense was scheme and identity - or lackthere of. Once you're into the season, it's not easy to just change up your scheme.
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If the players weren't developing properly on offense why didn't Les step in and develop them? If Les didn't step it, it's his fault the players didn't develop. If Les did step in, it's his fault the players didn't develop.
If you're going to hang Les for QB development, then you need to credit him for improvement in other areas like defense.
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At the end of the day, if the offense was bad, it's on Les. Period.
Agreed. He's the head coach, and it falls back on him. I'm just glad he fired Crowton.
But I find it funny that you morons ridicule Les for the offense, but give him absolutley no credit for the defense.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:09 am to Choctaw
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except for those times we ran to the outside and threw down field....but yea, besides that it was all "run up the middle".
along with some play-action
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:10 am to theunknownknight
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Next question: Who takes the ultimate responsibility for the performance of the football team? Les or Crowton?
Miles. And we finished 11-2. That's damn good considering we had a dreadful passing game and a QB who had issues passing.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:10 am to Chimlim
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But I find it funny that you morons ridicule Les for the offense, but give him absolutley no credit for the defense.
i find it even more funny that they ridicule him for the offense the last two years, but give him no credit the other years.
Like he just woke up in '09 and said "frick it...im about to frick all this shite up. Deal with it."
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:12 am to theunknownknight
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Simple question: Does Les Miles take any blame for our offensive failures last year? YES or NO
Miles is to blame for the following...
- thinking that he can build an offense that is great at both a power, pro-style running attack and a spread passing attack
- not firing Crowton a year earlier
- poor QB recruiting and development
assuming he did insist on a strong running game, low-risk passing game to go along with a strong D and special teams, he probably then gets credit for somehow getting the team to 11-2.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:13 am to Choctaw
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you've got a short memory
You deny that logic? The fact the Les has to step in, in the first place, ASSUMES Crowton carries some fault because he wasn't doing his job at the start. Ergo, you are arguing with yourself. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back.
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this isn't a question
Let me rephrase since you are being difficult as a result of not having a solid foundational stance in this discussion,
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YOUR ANSWER to the First question: You admit Les,to a degree, is to blame for the offensive woes last year.
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Les is responsible for the team...Crowton was responsible for the offense. thats why his arse got fired.
AND THERE YOU HAVE IT RANT. THE TRUTH!!! Choctaw is so delusional when it comes to Miles that he has made an arbitrary and capricious distinction between the football team and its performance to alleviate Miles of his responsibility as the HEAD coach.
So apparently according to you
Coordinator = Game day coach
Head Coach = Motivational leader?
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:14 am to theunknownknight
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Next question: Who takes the ultimate responsibility for the performance of the football team? Les or Crowton?
I would say Les took responsibility, he fired Crowton...
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:16 am to Chimlim
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But I find it funny that you morons ridicule Les for the offense, but give him absolutley no credit for the defense.
Its pretty common knowledge that Les's background involves offense, not defense. I highly doubt he's making any defensive calls. Lets also take into consideration that under the 3 diff DCs we've had, they've all been pretty different scheme wise.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:18 am to josh336
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I highly doubt he's making any defensive calls.
Ok. The freaking head coach isn't making any defensive calls.... Brilliant
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:19 am to theunknownknight
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You deny that logic? The fact the Les has to step in, in the first place, ASSUMES Crowton carries some fault because he wasn't doing his job at the start. Ergo, you are arguing with yourself. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back.
the logic that Miles deserves all the blame? yes...i deny that logic
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AND THERE YOU HAVE IT RANT. THE TRUTH!!! Choctaw is so delusional when it comes to Miles that he has made an arbitrary and capricious distinction between the football team and its performance to alleviate Miles of his responsibility as the HEAD coach
quit reaching son...you're embarrassing yourself. i've never once said Miles wasn't to blame for any of the issues this team has had. you asked about responsibility...Miles' is the team, Crowtons was the offense.
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So apparently according to you
Coordinator = Game day coach
Head Coach = Motivational leader?
nope...never said that either. you should just stop now.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:19 am to ForeLSU
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I would say Les took responsibility, he fired Crowton...
That's not taking responsibility. That's passing the buck. Crowton didn't do his job so he got fired by Les at the end of the season. To that we all agree. But that begs the question: If Les took responsibility at the end of the season by firing Crowton, where was Les DURING the season? Wouldn't you think that he would have "fired" Crowton in the sense that he would have taken over the calls if he was bad enough he was going to be fired later anyway?
Why did he wait to take responsibility until the end of the season? And if he didn't then Crowton is right, Les was involved in the offense earlier. You can't have it both ways.
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