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Coordination of LSU's offense
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:08 pm
Not gonna get into the debate of who actually coordinates the offense or calls plays, but for those with a good knowledge of X's and O's that are dissatisfied with the current state on that side of the ball, what are the major deficiencies? Is it lack of establishing a rhythm in play calling (ie feel for the game), lack of creating mismatches through formation, lack of diversity in plays, too few formations to run plays out of, lack of balance with run/pass, improper utilization of talent....?? What aspect would you want changed that would make the most difference?? First post so please don't bust my chops if all this has been covered ad nauseum.
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:11 pm to DIGGY
Don't run the option with a slow arse qb
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:13 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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Message Posted by HuRRiCaNe MiLeS Don't run the option with a slow arse qb
Yeah cause we did this all of twice all season.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:17 pm to geauxjo
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Yeah cause we did this all of twice all season.
Yeah creativity right? Non mobile QB, lets run option.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:21 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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Yeah creativity right? Non mobile QB, lets run option.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:24 pm to DIGGY
As much as people here hate it, I don't really see that it's a scheme problem.
Early in the season they had major issues with pass protection so they had to leave extra guys in it really took the intermediate to deep passes out of the playbook.
LSU's had problems at receiver this year as well, getting separation and when they do, there have been some big drops.
Add in a green QB and it's going to be ugly at times. Things have improved lately..they've been balanced all year, just haven't really executed. Even when Mett was bad they were throwing it like 25-30 times a game.
Early in the season they had major issues with pass protection so they had to leave extra guys in it really took the intermediate to deep passes out of the playbook.
LSU's had problems at receiver this year as well, getting separation and when they do, there have been some big drops.
Add in a green QB and it's going to be ugly at times. Things have improved lately..they've been balanced all year, just haven't really executed. Even when Mett was bad they were throwing it like 25-30 times a game.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:28 pm to DIGGY
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DIGGY
I've said since the offensive struggles started that the way we fix the issue is very simple. We have a ridiculously talented pool of running backs. So, use them to our advantage in more than just the running game. If you look at LSU's best offense preformances this year, they used a lot of play action and racked up a big chunk of their yards in the air as well as on the ground. Using the TEs is also a huge part of having a successful passing game. A chip route (route where the TE essentially fake blocks) is one of the best routes in football because most often they chip a linebacker and end up wide open in the flat. LSU worst offensive performances came when they went to straight drops rather than play action, and didn't throw to the TEs at all.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:30 pm to ibleedprplngld
For most of the season I'd imagine they didn't feel comfortable letting the tight ends out to catch, because they needed them in the protection schemes.
LSU's offensive line was godawful for a while after Faulk went down and they had to reshuffle..that really severely limits what you can do imo. They were having to go max protect every time they dropped him back to pass.
LSU's offensive line was godawful for a while after Faulk went down and they had to reshuffle..that really severely limits what you can do imo. They were having to go max protect every time they dropped him back to pass.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:30 pm to DIGGY
I think it is an inablitiy to develop talent. I ahve never seenanyone on that side of the ball get much better than the talent they brought to LSU with them.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:31 pm to DIGGY
quote:Execution, and everything else you listed is BS.
what are the major deficiencies?
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:32 pm to DIGGY
I think the Alabama and Ole Miss games show what this offense needs to be. Getting the TE involved, committ to the run but keep the pass involved.
Unfortunately those two games also showed the defense should never be
Unfortunately those two games also showed the defense should never be
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:33 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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quote: Yeah cause we did this all of twice all season. Yeah creativity right? Non mobile QB, lets run option.
Which is why we did it only once or twice. If you're going to criticize at least find something that's actually a part of our regular offensive plan-cause that's not.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:34 pm to geauxjo
Those weren't so much option plays as ways to get the ball out to Ford on the edge where he's most dangerous..called run all the way I bet.
Still silly,though, because it opens your quarterback up to take a hit.
Still silly,though, because it opens your quarterback up to take a hit.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:35 pm to ibleedprplngld
My opinion as well with respects to under utilization of the running backs in the passing game. Wheel routes, iso on linebackers, essentially creating mismatches. I know protection issues with line may have curtailed more of this but seems like RB and TE position are underutilized in the passing game in the Miles philosophy on offense.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:36 pm to Mayhawman
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Execution, and everything else you listed is BS.
Oh
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:37 pm to HMTVBrian2
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For most of the season I'd imagine they didn't feel comfortable letting the tight ends out to catch, because they needed them in the protection schemes.
Play action makes life on olineman a little easier. As my uncle who played oline at LSU in the early 80's put it, "Pass blocking is a bitch, but run blocking is just hitting the shite out of people". We used 0 play action early on in the season. When lineman have the split second of hesitation from the big uglies on the other side of the ball it makes their lives that much easier. Especially when you have young lineman, you need to make it a little easier on them until they catch up to the speed of the game. I think play action could have solved some of our early offensive shittyness
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:37 pm to DIGGY
They have been this year. I'm not sure about in years past off the top of my head..I'd have to go back and do some research.
Seem to remember Joe Addai catching the ball a lot. Tight End hasn't really been an impact spot here for a while other than Dickson though.
I liked what they were trying to do with Nic Jacobs this year, splitting him out wide to best utilize his size and athleticism, but he kinda screwed that one up.
Seem to remember Joe Addai catching the ball a lot. Tight End hasn't really been an impact spot here for a while other than Dickson though.
I liked what they were trying to do with Nic Jacobs this year, splitting him out wide to best utilize his size and athleticism, but he kinda screwed that one up.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:39 pm to ibleedprplngld
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I think play action could have solved some of our early offensive shittyness
This may go back more into what the QB was capable of early in the season, too. Mett was really really green and shaky
I don't really know if there's a for sure answer to any of this tbh.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:44 pm to HMTVBrian2
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This may go back more into what the QB was capable of early in the season, too. Mett was really really green and shaky
I don't think there's a sure answer either but I do think that regardless of how green they are, a QB can get in a rhythm through short drops and play action. There's a reason most of the routes in high school are 3 step drops and/or play action. It creates easy throws for a QB to get into a rhythm. So, I'm not sure why they didn't use either despite trying to sling the ball all over the field (granted they had a ton of drops early on too).
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 8:45 pm
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