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re: Contributing factor to lack of morale for BCSNCG
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:00 pm to loopback
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:00 pm to loopback
I think there is something to this. One of the writers on collegefootballnews.com wrote an article that says pretty much the same thing: the advantage in a rematch almost always goes to the team that lost the first game. He compares our game to the UF/FSU rematch in 96. Here's a link:
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This post was edited on 1/12/12 at 11:19 pm
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Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The issue with Bama was only an issue with some insecure, scared fans.
Sorry Roger, but Blackwell's pre game press conference interview comments were very telling. It bothered me when I heard them. I'm sure he wasn't the only player who felt that way. It does not matter what we, as fans think, but his statement largely supports the op's comments.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:08 pm to TigerCard
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UL/FSU rematch in 96. Here's a link:
I've referenced this game before. At that time, nobody had a better program than FSU. Also, there wasn't anybody 32 points better than FSU, yet they were drummed 52-20 in the rematch.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:10 pm to loopback
Thank you
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:11 pm to LSU92
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Sorry Roger, but Blackwell's pre game press conference interview comments were very telling. It bothered me when I heard them. I'm sure he wasn't the only player who felt that way. It does not matter what we, as fans think, but his statement largely supports the op's comments.
I can't imagine a situation where a high level collegiate athlete has difficulty getting motivated for the national championship game under any normal circumstances. If so, the coaching staff did a very shitty job of motivating this group.
This post was edited on 1/12/12 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I can't imagine a situation where a high level collegiate athlete has difficulty getting motivated for the national championship game under any normal circumstances. If so, the coaching staff did a very shitty job of motivating this group.
I agree in the fact that I can not understand how a player can't be thrilled and excited to play the game of football. Maybe it's because we are older and look at life a little different.
As for the coaching staff, I don't think they should get a free pass. They should be pressed for answers, but in a professional way. I know Monday's performance made no sense, but Bobby Bowden ran into a similar problem in 1996. Bobby Bowden's Fla state program was pretty much the gold standard in the 1990's and they collapsed in a similar fashion.
In 2000, Bowden's Fla State team was also beat in similar fashion by Oklahoma. They lost 13-2 and very much were dominated like LSU on monday.
Bottom line is that it happens to the best of them and Bowden doesn't really take a backseat to any coach.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:33 pm to LSU92
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In 2000, Bowden's Fla State team was also beat in similar fashion by Oklahoma. They lost 13-2 and very much were dominated like LSU on monday.
Not quite, in fact FSU outgained OU in that game. It was far from the embarrassment that the game on Monday ended up being.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not quite, in fact FSU outgained OU in that game. It was far from the embarrassment that the game on Monday ended up being.
They were 1 for 15 on 3rd down conversions and rushed for 27 yards. Their offense was shutout. I'd say they were torched like LSU.
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My only point is that even the best get their asses kicked once in a while. Florida gave up 66 points in the 1995 title game. In 2006, Ohio st and the vest actually had fewer total yards than LSU had on monday. None of these games were rematches.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:48 am to bree
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I agree, it was not fair to this team to play Bama twice and they knew it. Beginning immediately after the win the talk of the rematch started. Had the media not pushed it so much I do believe that we would have played Oklahoma State. I think the media played a lot into the coaches poll which is what cost OS the slot
No, the early media talk even before their first game was talk about having a LSU/Bama rematch even over an undefeated team. THAT would have been unfair. I can see how LSU fans see it as unfair to play Bama twice and perhaps so. But it would have been even more to vote a team over Bama just because Bama lost to the top ranked team instead of some unranked team. Okie lite also had close games with Texas A&M and Kansas State and probably is not as good as Southern Cal, Oregon, Wisconsin or Arkansas (who had far less trouble with Kansas State).
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:12 am to stat19
Does being simple minded make life real easy for you?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:19 am to LSU92
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Sorry Roger, but Blackwell's pre game press conference interview comments were very telling. It bothered me when I heard them. I'm sure he wasn't the only player who felt that way. It does not matter what we, as fans think, but his statement largely supports the op's comments.
When the bcs matchup was officially announced, bama players were jumping around like they won the lottery. Lsu players were stoic.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:19 am to biglego
Oh so Alabama was so fat superior, we should have just forfeited the game. After we beat them on their home field. Stick your head back in the sand or up your arse.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:18 am to rickyh
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Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:26 am to PatriotAlum
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I can see how LSU fans see it as unfair to play Bama twice and perhaps so.
I've noticed the Bama fans are much more rational about this discussion now that they've gotten their way.
No, I'm not being an arse to you. Just an observation.
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But it would have been even more to vote a team over Bama just because Bama lost to the top ranked team instead of some unranked team.
Ahh yes. The "quality loss" argument is now permenantly placed in the college football lexicon.
I promise you, we will never see "quality loss" as an arguement made again for anyone else besides the traditional powers: Bama, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc...
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Okie lite also had close games with Texas A&M and Kansas State and probably is not as good as Southern Cal, Oregon, Wisconsin or Arkansas (who had far less trouble with Kansas State).
And we will never know this.
As an LSU fan, 2011 has proved to me what all the "old timers" have always told me: Bama always gets their way in the end. Even when you beat them, you will still lose one way or the other. This fact holds true even today. LSU fans need to learn their place and accept this.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:26 am to loopback
Coaches should be able to explain to the team the unique position they are in to make history, if coaches can not do this they are not good motivators.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:28 am to loopback
Being 60 playing minutes away from a BCS trophy, and sulking enough to shite the bed for a National Championship is NOT a valid excuse.
There were plenty of motivators that could have been used to get the players up for a rematch. If they didn't buy into them, or if the LSU coaching staff didn't capitalize on them, that's part of the problem, IMO. You do what you do to get the job done.
There were plenty of motivators that could have been used to get the players up for a rematch. If they didn't buy into them, or if the LSU coaching staff didn't capitalize on them, that's part of the problem, IMO. You do what you do to get the job done.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:35 am to loopback
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Every year since these boys were old enough to follow college football, they have been indoctrinated into the idea that EVERY game matters in college football and it's basically 1 big playoff. Unless you get lucky, it's one and done. You've lost control of your destiny. LSU went out on Nov 5th into hostile Tuscaloosa and BEAT the Tide in their house. They played arguably the most physical and mentally tough game of their lives. They went out there like heroes and left everything out on the field...what was their reward? A freaking rematch. They played an EXTRA game and had to beat the same team twice to close out the season.
I'm not excusing CLM. I am still scratching my head at that bullheaded offensive gameplan.
But I think this is the most significant factor.
It would be like the Boston Celtics defeating the Miami Heat in the Eastern Finals when everyone in the West, including the Lakers, has an off-year.
THEN, the NBA brass saying, "hey Boston, the best matchup for TV--and the best team--is still the Heat. So you are going to play them again in the finals."
Yes, playing the gumps again was an insult.
The gumps "national championship game" was November 5 at their house.
They lost.
That should have been the end of it.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:39 am to timlan2057
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Yes, playing the gumps again was an insult.
The gumps "national championship game" was November 5 at their house.
They lost.
That should have been the end of it.
You need to accept your place as a fan of LSU. It would be much easier for you if you did.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:45 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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You need to accept your place as a fan of LSU. It would be much easier for you if you did.
May I confess? I've never "said" this out loud.
I tried to get hyped for the rematch like it was a great thing.
I ACTED hyped.
I fixed my gumbo, got the beer and got ready to party.
But I NEVER felt like I did toward this NC game the unbridled emotion that I did in 2003 and 2007.
I felt "flat" ... like hey, we already made a herculean effort to push this boulder up the mountain and on November 5, we pushed it down the other side."
NOW we have to push the same boulder up the same mountain again??
As a fan, how I feel is irrelevant.
But you can't tell me that many players did not feel the same way.
Yes, the system jobbed LSU this year.
I think that is a legitimate point in any discussion about this NC game.
The gumps got rewarded for LOSING on November 5.
Plain and simple.
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