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re: Congrats to Bertman and O'keefe for the above avg program
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:35 pm to Baloo
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:35 pm to Baloo
Completely untrue. Saban was well regarded in every football coaching circle and LSU paid $1.2 million annually to hire him - unheard of from LSU at the time.
The revisionist history is yours.
The revisionist history is yours.
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:37 pm to Choupique19
I've always wondered if Bertman did all he could do to keep Saban. Didn't Saban meet with Bertman one last time before heading to Miami.? Did Skip tell him to go fly a kite?
I'd love to know the truth.
I'd love to know the truth.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:38 pm to LSURussian
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Yeah, he did such a great job hiring Tyrone Willingham at Univ. of Washington after TW was fired at Notre Dame.....
Are you saying good ADs (which Emmert is not an AD) don't hire bad coaches?
If that's your argument, then you are wrong. Bad ADs continually hire bad coaches and even worse, retain bad coaches. Good ADs admit their mistake and bite the bullet.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:39 pm to blowmeauburn
Well, Im new to posting and usually just like to read the posts from everyone.
I get so frustrated seeing tiger fans who all want the same goal for lsu (a great head coach, endless 5 star athletes with no end in sight to 5 star recruiting, and an undefeated season year after year *sarcasm*), trash talk and put down each other.
Fact is...we lsu fans get that we aren't going to dominate the sec, or all of college football, every year. We also know that going undefeated every year isn't going to happen. And we are all smart enough to know that in college football there are inevitables: teams/conferences build dynasties, have stays on top and winning streaks, lose players to drafts, go through droughts, and go through rebuilding years, etc and so on and the cycle of football continues.
As for Nick Saban and when he left, how he left, and who was willing to pay who what and how much, hind sight is always 20/20. Yes, I completely agree that with the talent of our team, the calibur of our athletes, and the reputation of our university and athletic department, we should in no way have two seasons back to back like we've had. Do I think we should have been undefeated this year and last? While I'd like to think so, and will argue to the grave with any friends for opposing SEC teams that we should, in reality I know the answer is no. I know that with a national title under Les' belt, a 7-5 season followed by a 9-3 year, both with bowl wins (yes Im being presumptuous about winning our bowl game this year) that the chances of Les being "cut" is slim to none.
No one is accepting "mediocre" seasons year after year, nor is anyone stating that "it is what it is" and we should just suck it up. On the other hand, there is alot of money at stake (for the university, recruiting, and fans alike), bragging rights to be earned, and disappointment from those of us so dedicated to the Tigers.
We have a coach who is extremely well paid, athletes who are among the best of the best, fans that are truly dedicated and who bleed purple and gold, and the loyal, beloved Mike. So if some of us Tigers are less than happy with this years and last years performance, so be it. Let us bitch and moan, speak our minds, and rant till our hearts hurt a little less. And no matter if we disagree on the problem being a need for a different coach, a young fresh quarter back, or whatever the case may be, lets show each other some respect please. After all, there's plenty of Gator, Tide, and other SEC fans out there to take the frustration out on.
I get so frustrated seeing tiger fans who all want the same goal for lsu (a great head coach, endless 5 star athletes with no end in sight to 5 star recruiting, and an undefeated season year after year *sarcasm*), trash talk and put down each other.
Fact is...we lsu fans get that we aren't going to dominate the sec, or all of college football, every year. We also know that going undefeated every year isn't going to happen. And we are all smart enough to know that in college football there are inevitables: teams/conferences build dynasties, have stays on top and winning streaks, lose players to drafts, go through droughts, and go through rebuilding years, etc and so on and the cycle of football continues.
As for Nick Saban and when he left, how he left, and who was willing to pay who what and how much, hind sight is always 20/20. Yes, I completely agree that with the talent of our team, the calibur of our athletes, and the reputation of our university and athletic department, we should in no way have two seasons back to back like we've had. Do I think we should have been undefeated this year and last? While I'd like to think so, and will argue to the grave with any friends for opposing SEC teams that we should, in reality I know the answer is no. I know that with a national title under Les' belt, a 7-5 season followed by a 9-3 year, both with bowl wins (yes Im being presumptuous about winning our bowl game this year) that the chances of Les being "cut" is slim to none.
No one is accepting "mediocre" seasons year after year, nor is anyone stating that "it is what it is" and we should just suck it up. On the other hand, there is alot of money at stake (for the university, recruiting, and fans alike), bragging rights to be earned, and disappointment from those of us so dedicated to the Tigers.
We have a coach who is extremely well paid, athletes who are among the best of the best, fans that are truly dedicated and who bleed purple and gold, and the loyal, beloved Mike. So if some of us Tigers are less than happy with this years and last years performance, so be it. Let us bitch and moan, speak our minds, and rant till our hearts hurt a little less. And no matter if we disagree on the problem being a need for a different coach, a young fresh quarter back, or whatever the case may be, lets show each other some respect please. After all, there's plenty of Gator, Tide, and other SEC fans out there to take the frustration out on.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:41 pm to drizztiger
quote:Not being in the "in" circle in knowing who the rising coaches were, I had only one thing to go on: DiNardo had beaten Saban in the Indy Bowl. DiNardo was LSU's x-coach; Saban coming in was the one DiNardo beat. I wondered. I really did. But I became a believer in one season. It was a mostly good run; with Saban I always had a sense of who was in charge, win or lose. I think the team felt the same way, and responded to that level of leadership by giving their best most of the time.
Completely untrue. Saban was well regarded in every football coaching circle and LSU paid $1.2 million annually to hire him - unheard of from LSU at the time.
The revisionist history is yours.
This post was edited on 12/5/09 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:45 pm to JawjaTigah
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Not being in the "in" circle in knowing who the rising coaches were, I had only one thing to go on: DiNardo had beaten Saban in the Indy Bowl. DiNardo was LSU's x-coach; Saban coming in was the one DiNardo beat. I wondered. I really did.
you didn't have to be in any "in" circles to know Saban was highly respected. If you followed college football (watched games, read articles, etc.) it was common knowledge.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:48 pm to Baloo
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Whe he got hired, he was just some guy who couldn't beat Dinardo in a bowl game and squandered Charles Rogers' best years.
Michigan State has two 10 win seasons in school history. One in 1965, and one in 1999, Nick Saban's last year as head coach there.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:49 pm to Stevo
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If you followed college football (watched games, read articles, etc.) it was common knowledge.
He was mentioned for NFL jobs just about every year he was at Michigan State as well.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:50 pm to Tigerlady0307
Very well thought out and stated. My problems with Les actually has very little to do with win-loss. It's more about the effort and discipline his teams have shown the past few seasons and the complete missuse of talent. I would be more than happy with this seasons 9-3 record if I knew that LSU had played the very best it could play but I dont. I think we have at times played about 80% of what we are capable of and that is about as high as we have gotten. It's the very end of the season and still feel like LSU is holding out on me. It's extremely frustrating.
This post was edited on 12/5/09 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 12/5/09 at 8:57 pm to Choupique19
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He was mentioned for NFL jobs just about every year he was at Michigan State as well.
yeah, I don't get where this is coming from. I recall reading what a great hire it was for MSU when they got him.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:11 pm to Stevo
Those saying Miles and Tubby Smith are bad analogies are obviously too young and weren't around when Pitino was at Kentucky bringing 11 out of 14 McD's All-Americans to the PMAC. Les=Tubby
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:14 pm to Tigerlady0307
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Tigerlady0307
pics?
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:16 pm to Teebow
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Those saying Miles and Tubby Smith are bad analogies are obviously too young and weren't around when Pitino was at Kentucky bringing 11 out of 14 McD's All-Americans to the PMAC. Les=Tubby
Once again. Tubby is a BRILLIANT basketball coach. His issue was recruiting.
Miles issues are precisely the opposite.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:19 pm to Choupique19
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Kentucky basketball learned from Alabama football. They made a bad hire in Billy Gillepse by hiring the best "available" coach. But after the bad two years, they went and and PAID FOR THE BEST COACH.
Calipari is not the "BEST" coach by any stretch. He also ran away from some severe problems he created at Memphis.
Also, Gillespie was terrible at Kentucky. Like not get them to the tourney terrible. Miles may not have been good last year, but to say he's terrible is laughable...
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:21 pm to OBUDan
Tubby=Brilliant Coach? LOL
Smith was to Kentucky as Miles is to LSU
Smith was to Kentucky as Miles is to LSU
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:23 pm to Choupique19
Ok dumbass, please explain to me how these players actually one games since it's obvious Miles wasn't coaching them. Were they being coached by prick $aban'$ spirit? You people never cease to amaze with the $aban love fest. It wouldn't matter who's coaching at LSU right now with some of the $aban blowhards. You people would still be bitching and complaing!
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:23 pm to OBUDan
scary enuff, my pic on here is actually a pic of me painted up for a game lol. i painted for every home game while i attended lsu. i just graduated in '07.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:25 pm to Tigerlady0307
go over to the O-T Lounge and say hello. With that pic, I think that you'll get some interesting comments.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:34 pm to Stevo
thanks for the suggestion but i think ill respectfully pass.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:34 pm to Stevo
If I were a Kentucky fan I would have been obsessed with Pitino just like LSU fans are obsessed with Saban. Kentucky finally had enough of mediocrity too step up and go after the best.
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