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re: Column: The case for Jarrett Lee

Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:44 am to
Posted by LikeKnightsofOld
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:44 am to
I edited it to make it clearer to the slow people. Even though it shouldn't have been needed.
Posted by neweuquol
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:45 am to
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1. You can, because he's played his entire career for one of the most incompetent franchises in the world.

2. His NFL performance discounts his college performance no more than Ken Dorsey's NFL performance discounts his college performance.


Not trying to discount his college performance. Incompetent franchise or not, JR couldn't his saltwater on a life raft in the middle of the Pacific right now.
Posted by 36 Chambers
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:46 am to
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YOU stated that JR and Flynn helped get the team to 10-2. You followed that by saying that talking to reporters must have caused Pitt to beat UWV.

So again how did JR contribute to that 10-2 regular season from Oakland.


What's difficult to understand about the premise? Both Flynn and Russell led LSU to 10-2 records. The difference is that when Flynn led LSU to 10-2, the situation played out such that LSU was #2 in the BCS instead of ~#4 like it was at the end of the regular season in 2006.
Posted by neweuquol
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:48 am to
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I edited it to so noone would think I was a dolt for making a dumb arse statement.



Thanks
Posted by 36 Chambers
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:48 am to
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Not trying to discount his college performance.


That's interesting because his college performance is all that's relevant to this thread.
Posted by LikeKnightsofOld
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:49 am to
Yeah. It was pretty obvious what I was saying.
Posted by neweuquol
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:51 am to
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That's interesting because his college performance is all that's relevant to this thread.

I think its relevant that he is an epic failure in the NFL to show his total lack of personal responsibility for his failures. I am sure if he talked to the media the excuse for averaging less than 150 yards/game would be dysfunctional upper management.
Posted by 36 Chambers
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:59 am to
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I think its relevant that he is an epic failure in the NFL to show his total lack of personal responsibility for his failures. I am sure if he talked to the media the excuse for averaging less than 150 yards/game would be dysfunctional upper management.



He'd have a point. Do you have one, in the context of this thread?
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:03 am to
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I am sure if he talked to the media the excuse for averaging less than 150 yards/game would be dysfunctional upper management.


But, JR would be correct to a degree, as not many besides senile Davis Junior, Locasale, and Company, had JR a clear #1. Yet, the alternative was a Brady Quinn that had many leary also.

Most GMs clearly saw a QB that only saw his first two progressions in his shotgunned three and four wide sets. A QB that got away with forcing many balls, yet had the laser gun to make it work in college ball's slightly larger greased passing lanes/windows. A QB that needed to be cattle-prodded with his weight and conditioning. A soft-spoken non-natural team leader. Wonderlic score?

Glad JR made mad bank, but not surprised that he is struggling at the NFL level. Especially in that insane Raider organization of the last seven years, and their atrocious OL of recent years.
This post was edited on 10/18/09 at 3:06 am
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:07 am to
I love Carl's columns, but I think this is probably the worst one I've read(though still likely better than anyone else's, he's just set a pretty high standard for himself). The shot at JR is unfair and uncalled for. However, I don't disagree that Lee "might" should start or at least be given significant playing time. The fact that he has played SO little, though, begs the question: Are Les and Crowton just not fair, are they too stubborn to admit they might have made a mistake and wasted half the season with the wrong starter, or is Lee just THAT BAD in practice? The 2 formers are certainly possible, but I wouldn't discount the latter.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:13 am to
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Yeah, I know. It's not that simple


You are right...it's not that simple.

I don't think you start playing another QB at this point in the season when you are in the hunt and top 10 ranked.

Plus, I don't think you bring Jarrett in when he hasn't played, we are Top 10 ranked, playing close games, and then have him make a costly mistake. I don't think you do that with his history...for his sake.



Posted by KCBasketball
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:15 am to
First time I ever disagreed with Carl....well that I remember. When did Lee show more leadership than Jefferson? When did he show more character? Talking to the media makes you show more than this than the other? WTF? Thats bull shite. Your only argument is taking the heat. When did Jefferson say, "Well my receiver drop the pass." I cant believe you would write an article like this. This is underneath you. You always seemed like a person who went with the coaching staff. You now seem to be writing articles based on what this site says. Doing that is bull shite. Maybe you should write about how USC is higher ranked than LSU or how Miles sucks. It would be better than this shite. Also nice job bringing up Nick Saban....the guy who brought LSU back onto the map? Im in Baton Rouge, where are you? He is at Alabama, possibly ranked #1 after this week. Where are you Carl? Writing for Tigerdroppings. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. What a disgrace and after I gave you praise.
Posted by irish thug 527
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:16 am to
The column is good, except the part about proposing that talking to the media had something to do with the team's success.. I call total BS on that.

I'd like to see how JL's improved. But somehow, I can't shake this feeling... maybe I'm completely off on here... that he'd throw a pick 6 his first snap, or at least a pick in his first series. I don't know, maybe last season led me to believe he's capable of that sort of thing.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:41 am to
simmer down now.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:53 am to
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Im in Baton Rouge, where are you?



this was an especially weak line imho. Saban is making 4 million dollars a year, coaching the soon-to-be #1 team in the nation, not knowing or giving a shite who or where Carl Dubois is. Like I said earlier, this wasn't necessarily a bad LSU column, as LSU columns go, but I don't think Carl lived up to the standard he was set for himself. Perhaps he should have thought a little bit longer before he hit "submit."
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 4:25 am to
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I love Carl's columns, but I think this is probably the worst one I've read(though still likely better than anyone else's, he's just set a pretty high standard for himself). The shot at JR is unfair and uncalled for. However, I don't disagree that Lee "might" should start or at least be given significant playing time. The fact that he has played SO little, though, begs the question: Are Les and Crowton just not fair, are they too stubborn to admit they might have made a mistake and wasted half the season with the wrong starter, or is Lee just THAT BAD in practice? The 2 formers are certainly possible, but I wouldn't discount the latter


Carl, I'm confused. You say this is his worst effort, but then you seem to suggest that you agree with everything except for the dig at Russell.

I feel that exact way. I loved every part of the article, but the JR comment was unnecessary and basically not even a good point he was trying to make anyway. Everything else, on point.

My favorite line:

quote:

Besides, Jefferson doesn't have to disappear from the offense. That's Russell Shepard's job anyway, right?



That shite is CLASSIC!!!!

Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 4:40 am to
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Carl, I'm confused. You say this is his worst effort, but then you seem to suggest that you agree with everything except for the dig at Russell.



I didn't like the Saban line, either. And though he did say that the media sometimes takes themselves too seriously, he still managed to come across as taking himself too seriously. And again, because his other efforts have been so outstanding, his "worst" isn't necessarily shite, just not worthy of his previous efforts. Imho, of course.



quote:

My favorite line:



Good line, but he had already lost me--I didn't read the last 1/3 of the column. The first 2/3 were so bad(relatively), that there was no shot at redemption for me. I'll just wait for the next one he posts at 1 a.m on Monday night on tigerdroppings.com, while Nick Saban eats a Little Debbie snack and cashes another weekly check for 86 grand.




Posted by ellis1975
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 4:53 am to
Very good article. Despite what many say, JJ not speaking to the media after the UF loss DOES speak to his character. By the time an athlete makes it to this level, he/she should know the agony of defeat and should be able to face the anguish of talking to the media after such a tough loss.

JJ showed some immaturity by not speaking to the media, but that was not the sole definition of his character. Lebron James refused to shake hands after his tough playoff defeat and also skipped out on the media. Could you imagine had LSU won and Tebow refused to speak to the media? Everyone on here would be crucifying him.

OntJL, he should be given a chance at SOME playing time. If not, then he should go ahead and transfer and just sit out next season. That would give him time to learn and get familiar with whatever offense he has to learn. It appears that the LSU staff has absolutely no confidence in him.

JL was baptized by fire, so he DESERVES the chance to redeem himself. After what he endured last season, this coaching staff owes him that. I hate the idea of a dual-QB system but that may be the ONLY solution to LSU's offensive woes.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 5:04 am to
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Could you imagine had LSU won and Tebow refused to speak to the media? Everyone on here would be crucifying him.





Posted by Good Times
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 5:50 am to
I agree with giving Lee some plays. Imagine the pressure on Lee if he has to step in during a close game after JJ gets hurt. My belief is that Miles thought that JJ could be brought along slowly, with the running game toting the load. It hasn't happened, and has allowed the D to put more pressure on him than he can handle. He drops back farther and farther in anticipation of the rush. Lee has better pocket presence, a quicker release, and a better long ball. With this year's D, he would not feel like the game is all on his shoulders. He may not be better in practice, because once again he is trying to impress, rather than manage. I think Miles feels that if Lee had some measure of success, but not enough to say that he is the clear No.1, that a QB controversy would develop. Tough call, but to not have your No.2 ready is asking for trouble.
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