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re: Coach Mainieri's comments after the game

Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by Holden Caulfield
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:25 pm to
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he SS is likely covering the steal anyway

The 2nd baseman was the one moving to cover when Katz took off.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:25 pm to
If a LHB is up, the SS covers the bag, so that is the "gap" in the field that the batter would be best suited to drive the ball if it were possible.

But like I said, thats a perfect world
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:27 pm to
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The 2nd baseman was the one moving to cover when Katz took off.


Right, but you have made the blanket statement that with a LH at the plate SS covers and with a RH at the plate the 2B covers. Couldn't be more incorrect on that one. Changes all the time. That is why infielders talk to each other and give each other signals.
Posted by Bernie Moore
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:28 pm to
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maybe in HS at high level with better pitching, hitters are taught to put the ball on the ground. If it's a fastball away, the SS is likely covering the steal anyway and a sharp hit ball to 2B is still a DP possibility
quote:

Billy Ray Valentine


No hitting behind the runner is taught in pro ball at every level. You are describing a run and hit. Where are you being taught this method?
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:29 pm to
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a LH at the plate SS covers and with a RH at the plate the 2B covers.


While it may change, I almost always notice this pattern myself
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:30 pm to
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I almost always notice this pattern myself

Generally its true, but not always.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:31 pm to
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Couldn't be more incorrect on that one. Changes all the time

But the changes are calculated ones based on pitcher and hitter. They are not arbitrarily made. In the case last night the 2nd baseman went to cover which indicates UCLA wasn't completely aware of Raph's tendency to go to the opposite field.
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:31 pm to
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Right, but you have made the blanket statement that with a LH at the plate SS covers and with a RH at the plate the 2B covers. Couldn't be more incorrect on that one. Changes all the time. That is why infielders talk to each other and give each other signals.


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PurpleAndGold86

Percentages say ss covers 2b when lhb at plate. Who was your coach?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:31 pm to
With a guy throwing 82 mph sinkers in major college baseball the if covering will almost always be the one that the batter has to hit to the opposite side.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:32 pm to
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Bernie Moore


quote:

Where are you being taught this method?
quote:

Who coached you?
quote:

Where did you learn that?


I have posted my credentials, now its your turn Mark McGuire
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:35 pm to
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I don't know why people think the hitter's sole objective on a hit and run is to punch it through the vacated position at 2nd base.




It's not the sole objective but what most of us were taught throughout our playing days. You'd have to read Coach's entire quote on the subject. It does sound like he was thinking ahead which changes some of the dynamics.

Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:37 pm to
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Posted by LoveThatMoney Anybody bitching about the hit and run with Rhymes doesn't know shite about baseball.


What? A hit and run makes even less sense there after the pitcher just threw 4 straight balls.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
26018 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:38 pm to
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UpToPar


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What? A hit and run makes even less sense there after the pitcher just threw 4 straight balls.


Go back to page 11 and read through before you bring this bullshite in here
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:39 pm to
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ouldn't be more incorrect on that one. Changes all the time

No, it doesn't change all the time. There are instances where the SS will cover with a right handed hitter or a second baseman with a left handed hitter but there are variables to considered and its a rare enough occurrence that its usually noted by an astute announcer.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:40 pm to
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No hitting behind the runner is taught in pro ball at every level. You are describing a run and hit. Where are you being taught this method?
here is the priority of things a batter must do in a hit & run situation:
1) swing the bat
2) make contact
3) hit the ball on the ground
4) hit the ball on the ground hard
5) hope you hit a hole

Rhymes did what he was supposed to do...it was bad luck.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:40 pm to
WTF?
Posted by jacoblee
pineville
Member since Jun 2013
75 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:40 pm to
2000 championship game vs Stanford, bottom of the 9th, tied at five with runners on 1st and 2nd Skip allows a 1-12 Cresse to swing away with no one out. Where were the skip haters???
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 5:43 pm
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:41 pm to
Ah so it does change? Ok got it.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22859 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:41 pm to
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This is actually true. He was playing in closer than normal. If Rhymes hadn't been bunting on the first 2, he would have been back behind the bag and Katz would have easily been safe at second and we would have tied the game.


No he wouldn't have. I wasn't at the game, but I guarantee you as soon as Katz got on base the entire ucla dugout was telling the third baseman to play the bunt. You know why? Because the bunt is the right call there.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
26018 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 5:42 pm to
Whoa now, I am with you but damn thats a stretch
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