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re: Coach Mainieri's comments after the game
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:48 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:48 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Why not have confidence that the best contact hitter on the team can make contact with the ball when everyone in the park knows that a fastball is coming?
Idk how many times i have to tell you.
And quit saying "thats baseball". That oh well excuse is not applicable for every single situation.
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:48 pm to Jay Quest
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But a 2-0 count in the bottom of the ninth is not one of those cases
Actually, it is. And it was last night. Hence the reason for the hit and run on that pitch and not a bunt.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:49 pm to RATeamWannabe
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This is gold
Are you as thick as the other clown. Explain in your most eloquent wording how 2-0 is any different than 0-0 or 1-0 when you're in the bottom of the 9th inning.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:49 pm to Jay Quest
It's already been done. Apparently you don't understand baseball very well.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:50 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Actually, it is. And it was last night
Only because CPM screwed the pooch. I would wagwer, given a poll, the overwhelming majority of college coaches would say the count changed nothing. You still bunt the tying run over.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:50 pm to Jay Quest
Because it becomes 3-0, not 2-0. 3-0 is kinda hard to dig out of, then you put two on with no outs.
But I think you are going to have a really hard time understanding when you aren't really familiar with baseball.
But I think you are going to have a really hard time understanding when you aren't really familiar with baseball.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:51 pm to OldAlexBox
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Peter Gammons/Keith Law,
I think the point the "retards" are trying to make is if the properly executed hit and run ground ball to anyone on the infield would have worked just like a sac bunt, why not just sac bunt?
Because the odds of a double play ground ball aren't great and the best case scenario is you have the tying run on 3rd and the winning run on 1st with nobody out. Bunting gives you a best case scenario of the tying run on second and needing a base hit to tie the game....which a hit and run can still give you also.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:51 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Or you play for runners at the corners with no outs. Better than man on 2nd with one out. Get it?
I would get it if we were down by more than 1. CPM made the wrong call. That's not really up for discussion. And it's not hindsight. It may be for some of you hut if you know anything about baseball you know you play for the tie there.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:51 pm to Jay Quest
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I would wagwer, given a poll, the overwhelming majority of college coaches would say the count changed nothing. You still bunt the tying run over.
I would take that wager all day
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Got it, runner on third with no outs is not playing for a tie. Didn't realize that.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:52 pm to moneyg
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What do you suspect Rhymes' batting average is on 2-0 counts.
wonder how many DP's he has hit into with a runner on first and no outs?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:53 pm to Jay Quest
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I would wagwer, given a poll, the overwhelming majority of college coaches would say the count changed nothing.
Maybe you would wager, but that still doesn't mean you have any clue what the majority of coaches would do.
We have one of the best, and he didn't bunt, but just like with football, the idiots on the Tiger Rant always know more than our coaches.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:53 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Because it becomes 3-0, not 2-0. 3-0 is kinda hard to dig out of, then you put two on with no outs.
What becomes 3-0? The count was 2-0 when CPM took the bunt off. I want to know why the 2-0 count was the difference maker.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:53 pm to MOT
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Because the odds of a double play ground ball aren't great and the best case scenario is you have the tying run on 3rd and the winning run on 1st with nobody out. Bunting gives you a best case scenario of the tying run on second and needing a base hit to tie the game....which a hit an run can still give you also.
This is 100% dead on.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:54 pm to Jay Quest
Wait, are you trolling? 
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:54 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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When you are the home team and you are down by 1 run you play for the tie. That is a fundamental of baseball. You don't worry about giving up the big inning in the bottom of the 9th cause if you don't get that run home it's over. You have to put him in scoring position and the sac bunt is the most sure way of doing that.
You haven't supported this logically at all. Statistically, it is not anything close to a clear decision, and there are TONS of examples of times when a manager won't take the bat out of the hands of his best hitters.
Mainieri took an aggressive approach. He was pretty damn confident that Rhymes was going to make contact and he thought he could mitigate the risk of the double play with the hit and run. By doing this, he took the limited risk of the double play, for the value of giving Rhymes a chance to swing at what was likely to be a good pitch. Most of the time, Katz is going to end up on 2nd in that scenario, and a decent amount of the time, he's going to end up on 3rd with the winning run on 1st. Probably less than 10% of the time, the double play will happen.
In short, it was not a crazy decision and probably was statistically the better decision. In truth, neither decision would have been materially better than the other. Mainieri picked his poison and decided to ride his horse rather than count on Ibarra and Ross/PH to drive Katz in.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:54 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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We have one of the best
Agreed, but he made a bad call last night. He failed to play fundamental baseball when it was most needed.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:55 pm to Jay Quest
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I want to know why the 2-0 count was the difference maker.
Because a hittable fastball was going to be thrown to our best contact hitter when he was in the drivers seat and the pitcher was on the ropes.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:55 pm to RATeamWannabe
The chances of having runners at first and third with no outs off a hit and run is a lot lower than having a runner at second with one out off a sac bunt. Get it?
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:55 pm to MOT
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Because the odds of a double play ground ball aren't great and the best case scenario is you have the tying run on 3rd and the winning run on 1st with nobody out. Bunting gives you a best case scenario of the tying run on second and needing a base hit to tie the game....which a hit and run can still give you also.
But the bigges downside to a hit and run is 2 possible outs, not the same as a bunt. And with Raph up that percentage increases. Especially with a slow katz infront of him.
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