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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line

Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:42 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278147 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:42 am to
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Crazy that Miles and his mess got us blanked with Ensminger in 2016, but that same mess with Canada put up 306 yards and 10 points AT Alabama, then that mess with Ensminger and a better QB got blanked again at home.

What's the common denominator in getting shutout?




I give zero shits about this. This is a program issue, not a 1 game against Bama issue. Go play with Tiger Ree if you want to argue dumb shite.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84607 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:42 am to
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LSU had a patched OL with no depth most of the season.

exactly


What's the excuse for 2016 at home?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46620 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:43 am to
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Still trying to fix the mess Miles left along the ol 


Miles left an oline with 3 all sec players.

Miles left a oline with 2 nfl players.


Clemson put up 550 yards against bama with 1 nfl olineman.


Youre inability to put any blame on this 2.5 year old staff isnt shocking.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22151 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:43 am to
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Ya. Came you the last top tier Offensive lineman under Miles? Or any drafted in the top 3 rounds or so in the draft?

Trai Turner?


Is this where we pretend that La'el Collins wouldn't have been a top 3 round pick to push an agenda?

Hell, he was projected to go in the top 10 before his legal troubles.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:47 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84607 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:44 am to
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I give zero shits about this.


That's convenient.

quote:

This is a program issue, not a 1 game against Bama issue. Go play with Tiger Ree if you want to argue dumb shite.


Ensminger isn't the answer. That's my point. Your posts make it clear you believe he is the answer.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:44 am to
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Bingo!!! We have no Tackles


Deculus is listed as a tackle but he would probably do better at guard. The proof is in the results. Bamas defensive line pushed LSU'S lineman off the ball into the backfield. Burrow had no time at all. Trevor Lawrence had time to sit in the pocket, step up into the pocket and deliver the ball.

Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46620 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:44 am to
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Came you the last top tier Offensive lineman under Miles? Or any drafted in the top 3 rounds or so in the draft? 


Pocic was a rimington award finalist.
Clapp all sec
Brumfield all sec.


Clemson put up 550 with 1 nfl olineman.


As usual you have no clue what youre talking about.
quote:

Certainly none left over when O took over. 



Beside 3 all sec and 2 nfl draft picks


Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22151 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:46 am to
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Deculus is listed as a tackle but he would probably do better at guard.


Why is Deculus better suited to play guard?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46620 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:49 am to
11 qb hurries and 6tfls says you have no clue what youre talking about.
Lawrence plays in scheme that allows for the ball to come out quicker.


And again...........Southeastern dominted our offense for an entire half. IS THAT TALENT TOO?


Youll never hold this staff accountable.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278147 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:50 am to
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Do we have to do this again with Clemson's OL?

They hung 1000 yards on Alabama in 2016/2017 playoffs, and not a single OL player on those teams has been drafted.



I understand that you think this is a great talking point, but you’re talking about 1 program, which is elite, getting by this way. I wish I knew their secret. Id bet that current guys on their OL will indeed by drafted.

Is their a blueprint there? If it’s that simple, can you share what it is? I’m sure 110 D1 teams would love to know it.

As far as LSU, It doesn’t change the fact that les Miles’ OL recruiting tactics were flawed. Is Clemson playing guards at tackle? You can be a 4 star recruit but if you’re supposed to be a guard & you are delegated to playing LT, you’re team will feel it. Are they dealing with 9 different starters like LSU had this year? Have they had to fire their coach recently because he wasn’t getting the job done?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46620 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:51 am to
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What's the excuse for 2016 at home?





Whats their excuse for Southeastern holding us to 63 yards and 3 1st downs in a half?
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
16160 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:52 am to
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 4:17 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278147 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:52 am to
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this where we pretend that La'el Collins wouldn't have been a top 3 round pick to push an agenda?

Hell, he was projected to go in the top 10 before his legal troubles.


Collins was good. Wish miles would have left a player of his caliber for the new regime.

Don’t go pretending Miles has put a bunch of good OL in the league. He’s had a handful of guys drafted in 11 years and even less have had success in the nfl
Posted by KingMo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
1502 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:52 am to
Experience is a powerful tool.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259874 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:53 am to
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Deculus is listed as a tackle but he would probably do better at guard.


Bingo. Tackle play was spotty at best this year. I think the experience was invaluable though, there were sparks of decent play there.

Charles Has a pretty good upside but I'm not sold on Clegg as the offensive line coach.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278147 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:54 am to
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That's convenient.


Literally had zero to do with what you responded to.


quote:

Ensminger isn't the answer. That's my point. Your posts make it clear you believe he is the answer.


I think health & having better options is the answer. I haven’t said anything about Ensminger in this thread. Weird.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27335 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:55 am to
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I’ve stumped hard on here today for better scheme, and that is a HUGE part, but not the only part.


Intelligence as well......ratings only tell part of the story
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46620 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:56 am to
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I understand that you think this is a great talking point, but you’re talking about 1 program, which is elite, getting by this way. I wish I knew their secret. Id bet that current guys on their OL will indeed by drafted. 

Is their a blueprint there? If it’s that simple, can you share what it is? I’m sure 110 D1 teams would love to know it. 

As far as LSU, It doesn’t change the fact that les Miles’ OL recruiting tactics were flawed. Is Clemson playing guards at tackle? You can be a 4 star recruit but if you’re supposed to be a guard & you are delegated to playing LT, you’re team will feel it. Are they dealing with 9 different starters like LSU had this year? Have they had to fire their c



Most tackles in cfb are actually guards at the next level.
There is a reason LT are highly sought after. Its because there are so few.
You can be an elite tackle in cfb and be a guard in the nfl.

You shite on the oline talent miles left o and it was 2 nfl olineman.
Clemson puts up 550 with 1.



Also, we almost always had top 10 olines under miles.

Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278147 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:57 am to
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Pocic was a rimington award finalist.
Clapp all sec
Brumfield all sec.


Pocic was good but playing out of position due to poor roster construction

quote:

Brumfield & Clapp-


I said top tier.

Brumfield will be a C in the nfl, too. Go figure he had to play G here.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46620 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:57 am to
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Don’t go pretending Miles has put a bunch of good OL in the league. He’s had a handful of guys drafted in 11 years and even less have had success in the nfl

And clemson?

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