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re: Ciron must be a JJ hater too, interesting quote
Posted on 7/27/09 at 1:29 pm to tduecen
Posted on 7/27/09 at 1:29 pm to tduecen
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your right
need me to repeat
I said your right
this is gonna be fun... its like your personal game. I bet your ready for more huh? I do not know what your going to do next. I haven't seen your response yet either.
You tried to correct some on spelling and grammar, when you have no grasp of either.
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Posted on 7/27/09 at 1:29 pm to offdacorner
arent you interested in seeing how JJ performs against the meat of our schedule before you say stuff like this
After 2.5 games of JL Im sure we coulda said the same thing.
I just dont understand why some of you are so quick to say what is and what he isnt gonna do, after no more game action that he's gotten.
Im pretty sure that if our coaching staff didnt wholeheartedly believe that improvemnet was on the way, they'd handed JL his walking papers long time ago..JMHO.
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what we saw of Jefferson, we do know that he takes care of the football and that he makes intelligent decisions.
After 2.5 games of JL Im sure we coulda said the same thing.
I just dont understand why some of you are so quick to say what is and what he isnt gonna do, after no more game action that he's gotten.
quote:of course no-one does,,, but why are you so confident that we and JL are doomed for the same resluts as last yr??
It's just that nobody wants to see another year of interceptions being returned for touchdowns.
Im pretty sure that if our coaching staff didnt wholeheartedly believe that improvemnet was on the way, they'd handed JL his walking papers long time ago..JMHO.
This post was edited on 7/27/09 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/27/09 at 1:30 pm to TheDoc
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You tried to correct some on spelling and grammar, when you have no grasp of either
your just totally totally wrong...
your not making any sense now...
Posted on 7/27/09 at 1:47 pm to BT
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arent you interested in seeing how JJ performs against the meat of our schedule before you say stuff like this
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I just dont understand why some of you are so quick to say what is and what he isnt gonna do, after no more game action that he's gotten.
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what we saw of Jefferson, we do know that he takes care of the football and that he makes intelligent decisions.
Did you read what I said? I said, "from what we saw". Based on what I saw, JJ makes intelligent decisions and takes care of the ball. Neither he, I, nor you can change the fact that he saw such limited playing time.
You can argue that had he played more, he would've sucked.
I can argue that had he played more, LSU would have won more games.
All I can go on is what I saw--I can't judge a player on the 8-9 games he didn't even play in. How unbalanced would that be?
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After 2.5 games of JL Im sure we coulda said the same thing.
Not really. JL threw interceptions in his first two games. So we really can't say the same thing.
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It's just that nobody wants to see another year of interceptions being returned for touchdowns.
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of course noone does,,, but why are you so confident that we and JL are doomed for the same resluts as last yr. Im pretty sure that if our caoching staff didnt wholeheartedly bleive that improvemnet was on the way, they'd handed JL his walking papers.
Didn't you read where I said this might not be the case? Where did I say that I was so sure he would throw int's?
Did you read everything I said? Because if you only read what you want, how can you be sure whether a person is being balanced or not?
Posted on 7/27/09 at 2:06 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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yep it was the difference in 9-3 and 7-5. Cause we could stop Bama and were atleast answering against UGA but we couldnt overcome the 17 points Lee forked over to them. Theres one example of where it does. Your justification for why it was ok for Lee to play so bad because our defense was worth shite last year too is irrational. I mean if you dont see a difference in 7-5 and 9-3 i guess i havent proven you wrong, and ill continue swifting my way through other of your BS posts.
Who was completing those passes when we were answering??? Yes, JL made mistakes and threw too many interceptions as a FRESHMAN QB but he also moved the offense against the best teams in the conference and gave us big play capability. He completed passes of over 20 yards on a routine basis. Has JJ completed a deep ball yet that actually counted?!?! I think that is his biggest weakness and why we may still see JL play some meaningful snaps.
You ASSUME, if JL was not the QB that any other QB on the team would have the same results against Bama, UF and UGA in terms of moving the chains and scoring points. That's a pretty stupid assumption.
I'm all for JJ getting the starting nod to start the season but I fear we will miss JL's ability to hit on the longer pass plays. I hope I'm wrong because I hate watching us dink and dunk all the way down the field.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 2:06 pm to offdacorner
dude, you might as well just give up.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 2:16 pm to XbengalTiger
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I'm all for JJ getting the starting nod to start the season but I fear we will miss JL's ability to hit on the longer pass plays. I hope I'm wrong because I hate watching us dink and dunk all the way down the field.
I don't think this will be a problem.
I think that as JJ gets more and more opportunities he will get more comfortable. As he gets more comfortable, the coaching staff will open up the playbook.
Don't forget--he had that beautiful 86 yard strike to Lafell called back because of a holding penalty.
The ability is there.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 2:24 pm to ATLTiger
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zone dog!
Tubucki might trip
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can John Williams return punts? I wanna see what that dude can do
Not sure.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 2:39 pm to offdacorner
Dude, your pst is tough to read... learn to use the quote botton...all I know is you didnt answer the questons I asked.
You may have not said JL will continue to throw picks but in so many words you INCINUATED it.
See this is where things get messed up..I dont argue that nor do I think that.
Sure you can.... JL was sec POW vs msu and thanks to him we beat AU at Au for the first itme in 12 yrs.
Once again, we know what JL is capeable of.
Take away the mistakes, which most bleive he can do and you have a good qb...how do we know this???B/c weve seen him perform.
JJ on the other hand is not as exp as JL so therfore Im much less quick to say what he is and isnt gonna do... I wanna see him play/start 8 games vs top ranked teams in the country/conference and then based on how he does, Ill have an opinion on him that is a lttle more realistic.
As of today, all you have is hopes of what JJ will do.
B/c after 2.5 games, he leaves much to be desired in terms of how he handles better opponents and pressure...all IM saying is I want him to prove it on the field, under same situation JL plyaed under.
That's as balanced and logical as I can put it.
You may have not said JL will continue to throw picks but in so many words you INCINUATED it.
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You can argue that had he played more, he would've sucked.
See this is where things get messed up..I dont argue that nor do I think that.
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Not really. JL threw interceptions in his first two games. So we really can't say the same thing.
Sure you can.... JL was sec POW vs msu and thanks to him we beat AU at Au for the first itme in 12 yrs.
Once again, we know what JL is capeable of.
Take away the mistakes, which most bleive he can do and you have a good qb...how do we know this???B/c weve seen him perform.
JJ on the other hand is not as exp as JL so therfore Im much less quick to say what he is and isnt gonna do... I wanna see him play/start 8 games vs top ranked teams in the country/conference and then based on how he does, Ill have an opinion on him that is a lttle more realistic.
As of today, all you have is hopes of what JJ will do.
B/c after 2.5 games, he leaves much to be desired in terms of how he handles better opponents and pressure...all IM saying is I want him to prove it on the field, under same situation JL plyaed under.
That's as balanced and logical as I can put it.
This post was edited on 7/27/09 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 7/27/09 at 3:20 pm to TheDoc
quote:That would be a shock. The only people who consistently express hatred for players here are the same ones constantly screaming about how the fans of a school whose three favorite QBs of the last quarter century are all black are nothing but hate mongering racists.
imagine if the situations would have been in reverse, and it was JJ who threw 16 INT's, and who constantly played terrible last season...
he would be absolutely HATED by 90 percent of the fanbase, with racial slurs being spouted all the time
There are some who actually make the claim that most LSU fans actually HATE JaMarcus Russell because he's black. The people who make claims like that are -- like most racists -- completely irrational. And they completely ignore the reality of how popular QBs like Rohan Davey and Herb Tyler are, despite accomplishing far less than white QBs like Matt Mauck, Matt Flynn and Tommy Hodson. People on this very board were actually mocked for listing Hodson among their three favorites all time as recently as 6 years ago, when Davey and Tyler were roundly applauded as picks.
Yes, there is a strong racist sentiment amongst the scum of this board, and it does everything it possibly can to perpetuate and exaggerate the image of white racism among LSU fans. It is thoroughly disgusting and an insult to all players, fans, coaches and everyone else associated with LSU.
Now cue the irrational screaming about how I must be blind to think there's no racism (which of course I never suggested), followed by the trusty old bludgeon of "you must be racist to disagree with me!"
Not one of you has ever even attempted to answer this question before because you know that the answer completely exposes all of you for the hypocritical frauds you are: if a person can think Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino because he has more championship rings simply due to the fact they are an idiot, why is it that a person thinking Matt Flynn is a better QB than JaMarcus Russell because he has more championship rings can only be because they are racist?
Obviously, it's bullshite. And yet every single time someone has expressed the opinion that Flynn was a better QB than Russell, that opinion alone has been proclaimed absolute proof that the person is a racist.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 3:24 pm to TheDoc
quote:And you act like everyone who disagrees with you is a racist. Most likely because you are projecting your own obsession with race.
you act like there's no racist on this site
Posted on 7/27/09 at 3:29 pm to TheDoc
quote:bullshite. My guess is you'll find some way to blame it somebody being racist, or pretend that you believed in Lee all along.
i'll be glad to eat crow
Posted on 7/27/09 at 3:30 pm to King Joey
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you act like there's no racist on this site
And you act like everyone who disagrees with you is a racist. Most likely because you are projecting your own obsession with race.
I dunno why but I laughed out loud at this
Posted on 7/27/09 at 3:33 pm to tduecen
Give me the starting defensive lineup
Posted on 7/27/09 at 3:33 pm to offdacorner
quote:I'm pretty sure that Dandy Don knows enough about football to understand that interceptions are relevant to the QB position, and returns for TDs are not.
It's just that nobody wants to see another year of interceptions being returned for touchdowns
More embarassing than any amount of interceptions thrown by our freshman QB is the obsessive need so many of our fans seem to have to publicly flaunt their total lack of understanding of football. It's pretty much a disgrace.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 3:44 pm to King Joey
Sad.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 4:17 pm to King Joey
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More embarassing than any amount of interceptions thrown by our freshman QB is the obsessive need so many of our fans seem to have to publicly flaunt their total lack of understanding of football. It's pretty much a disgrace.
Couldn't agree more!!!
Posted on 7/27/09 at 4:25 pm to XbengalTiger
Wow I leave this thread cause i had my fill of QB debating and come back hours later and its still going. But i guess its one of those JL vs JJ debates that starts with BT making some remark, Doc coming in at the other extreme of the situation making a remark, some people like me who are on Docs side but not nearly as stubborn in our beliefs of who should play, then more people on BTs side, and which gets all the way around and touches on Defense and our fan base. Just another day on the rant
Posted on 7/27/09 at 4:46 pm to King Joey
DAMN.
DOC, maybe you should unplugg your pc for a few days.
B/Cause you my friend, just got fuking owned.
DOC, maybe you should unplugg your pc for a few days.
B/Cause you my friend, just got fuking owned.
Posted on 7/27/09 at 5:25 pm to King Joey
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There are some who actually make the claim that most LSU fans actually HATE JaMarcus Russell because he's black.
dude, don't even try to be naive.
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The people who make claims like that are -- like most racists -- completely irrational.
you live in maryland, correct? DC area or something?
I lived in virginia for 3 years, off and on, and I came back home to louisiana, and dear god, it's gotten WORSE. the racial slurs I hear from people born and raised in this state are TERRIBLE to hear.
how many times did you hear that jamarcus was a dumb @^$&$*$* from someone in the stands?
I did, many times over, and it was DISGUSTING.
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And they completely ignore the reality of how popular QBs like Rohan Davey and Herb Tyler are
many still regarded them as "dumb football players" because they were black. FACT
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despite accomplishing far less than white QBs like Matt Mauck, Matt Flynn and Tommy Hodson.
accomplishing far less? wtf?
who won that SEC championship game for flynn?
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Yes, there is a strong racist sentiment amongst the scum of this board, and it does everything it possibly can to perpetuate and exaggerate the image of white racism among LSU fans. It is thoroughly disgusting and an insult to all players, fans, coaches and everyone else associated with LSU.
okay, so what is it that you disagree with me on?
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Now cue the irrational screaming about how I must be blind to think there's no racism (which of course I never suggested)
okay, so...?
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followed by the trusty old bludgeon of "you must be racist to disagree with me!"
no, but you live up north, and not in this area, so you don't have to hear it and see it everyday.
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if a person can think Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino because he has more championship rings simply due to the fact they are an idiot, why is it that a person thinking Matt Flynn is a better QB than JaMarcus Russell because he has more championship rings can only be because they are racist?
how many games did each lose their final season?
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Obviously, it's bullshite.
how many games did you watch in the stands during jamarcus' time?
I watched a few when I would come home on leave, and I can't even tell you how many times I heard the term "Nig##&#&#" in the stands.
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