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re: Check out the spin on this article
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:06 am to deSandman
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:06 am to deSandman
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If an Oklahoma State kick is a few feet over in 2011, and LSU can gain a first down on 3rd and short in the fourth quarter in 2012, then anyone who said Alabama had a better stretch over the last 3 seasons would be laughed at. Instead, things went the other way, and no one can question that Alabama has had a better run.
IF, if you think Bama wasn't the better team than OKST to be in the BCS game you're a fool.
LSU vs Bama was the #1 vs the #2 team. I don't care that we played already, I don't care they didn't win the SEC. We all talk about how we want 1 vs 2, we got it and we lost. It's what we want, and they were better, get over it.
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Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:07 am to deadhead
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As a LSU fan, I would take 2 National Championships over any BS, rationale, gimmicks, or whatever else someone can come up with!
As would I. but I understand the frustration with the national perception that there's BAMA, then everyone else in the SEC. That's complete horseshite.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:14 am to GeauxTigerTM
It's not luck that gives Bama all the breaks over LSU
They are better, not by much but they are better
Slightly better players
Better coaches
Better experience
LSU fans can't grasp that concept
They are better, not by much but they are better
Slightly better players
Better coaches
Better experience
LSU fans can't grasp that concept
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:22 am to kjntgr
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Slightly better players
Talent wise or execution? If you say talent, I say bullshite.
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Better coaches
As a whole, yes. Agreed. And it is reflected in our execution.
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Better experience
Wut?
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:23 am to kjntgr
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This guy is making a case that in the last 3 seasons LSU has done better than Alabama
i think he's making the case that LSU and Bama have been even, but they aren't treated that way.
ATVS proudly touts their "delusional optimism" as an ongoing theme. but it doesn't mean what they say is invalid or incorrect. in fact, they back up what they say most times better than the guys who get paid to do this.
i find it a refreshing change from the clown shoes that litter this board.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:25 am to kjntgr
you guys worry about Bama way too much.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:26 am to kjntgr
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I'm not sure how he gets the stat that LSU has fewer SEC losses in the last 3 years than Bama, when I count its the same
The BCSNCG was not technically a conference game. That's how.
Obviously any of us would take what Bama has done in the last 3 years over what LSU has done and obviously this is spin. However, it's not factually incorrect from what I see. Despite the enormous gap in public perception, even amongst LSU fans, the gap is not that small when you break it down.
I posted this last week, again it's meaningless stats, but shows how great LSU has been, and how I think nationally underappreciated we are.
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Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:27 am to kjntgr
If 2011 LSU played in any other century they would have represented the SEC in a bowl game and most probably won by a margin of 27 points or more just like in regular season. Would have been seen as one of , or the best, college seasons in history. In each of Bama's last two BCS Titles blemished by a loss to an SEC opponent. In 2011, LSU went unscathed through the SEC and that is something only done 8(including LSU 1958)other times in the entire history of the SEC. So no, there is not much difference in these two teams over the past 5 seasons.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:27 am to YouAre8Up
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you guys worry about Bama way too much.
Well, if it were not for them, LSU would likely be going for a 3-peat.
So yeah, IMO, they are something to consider.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:28 am to kjntgr
Iowa State misses an OT fg to # 2 Okie State and we get a 2011 BCSNC . That's the one that hurts. That was ours. That's the pain that lingers.
One db doesn't blow an assignment or we get a single more first down against Bama 2012 and maybe it's us again. Who knows?
The bottom line is the margin has been RAZOR THIN and we have had the worst possible outcome while Bama has had the best possible outcome. They get called the "best program in history" we get a 10 second condescending and derisive mention if we are lucky.
But here's the thing. The Universe has a way of evening things out. And our best days-our best run-may well still be AHEAD OF US. At the very least, we freaking owe Bama a HEARTBREAK or TWO.
One db doesn't blow an assignment or we get a single more first down against Bama 2012 and maybe it's us again. Who knows?
The bottom line is the margin has been RAZOR THIN and we have had the worst possible outcome while Bama has had the best possible outcome. They get called the "best program in history" we get a 10 second condescending and derisive mention if we are lucky.
But here's the thing. The Universe has a way of evening things out. And our best days-our best run-may well still be AHEAD OF US. At the very least, we freaking owe Bama a HEARTBREAK or TWO.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:28 am to TDTGodfather
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i think he's making the case that LSU and Bama have been even, but they aren't treated that way.
Precisely. It's about LSU, not Bama. Bama is being called one of the greatest dynasties of all time, and their resume is not appreciably better than LSU's, who is currently being treated as the sixth best team in the SEC.
And bowl games and the SECCG do not count towards a team's official SEC record. Officially, Georgia went 7-1 in the SEC last year, not 7-2. Otherwise, Florida would be ahead of them in the SEC standings, despite losing the East.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:32 am to Lsupimp
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Iowa State misses an OT fg to # 2 Okie State and we get a 2011 BCSNC . That's the one that hurts. That was ours. That's the pain that lingers.
Hell, change no result and just change the media spin and Okie St goes to the BCSCG. The games could have played out precisely the same way and Bama doesn't win the title if the media polls focus more on who you beat than who you lost to. THAT'S how razor thin it is. You don't even have to change a "football event".
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:33 am to TexasTiger1185
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IF, if you think Bama wasn't the better team than OKST to be in the BCS game you're a fool.
I also think that Notre Dame was not even a top 5 team, however they deserved to be in the game. Bama didn't deserve to be in that game. They were 1-1 vs quality opponents and by the conventions of College Football should have been eliminated by not winning their division.
ESPN wanted to destroy the BCS in a contract year to get a playoff and rights to more games. They push for the most undesirable match up imaginable. They got it, ratings sucked as they knew they would, and then got their playoff. Had the 2011 season played out in 2010, OSU would have been in that game.
It sucks, LSU blew their chance, but it's still a legitimate gripe even though it simply comes off as whiney at this point.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:35 am to TexasTiger1185
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IF, if you think Bama wasn't the better team than OKST to be in the BCS game you're a fool.
But they still didn't deserve to be there. Okst had a better resume by far, and it wasn't even close. Bama not only didnt win the sec, they didn't win their own division. This isn't the nfl, here conferences and the season are supposed to matter.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:35 am to kjntgr
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It's not luck that gives Bama all the breaks over LSU
They are better, not by much but they are better
Slightly better players
Better coaches
Better experience
LSU fans can't grasp that concept
It's not that they can't grasp it, it's that they don't agree with you to the extent you'd like.
As painful as it was being in Tiger stadium last year and watching that win slip away, I was able to recognize that BAMA made the plays down the stretch they needed to win whereas LSU did not. It sucked, but that's what happened.
My issue, and maybe I'm alone in this, isn't that LSU ought to be looked at as having had the same level of success as BAMA over the course of the past three seasons. Without the crystal, it's a moot point. It's that despite having been the only program in America to stand toe to toe with BAMA over the course of that time frame, and done equally well (or better) in conference, LSU is looked at no better than some middle of the pack program...Not 1B to BAMA's 1A as the record clearly seems to indicate.
Honestly, it's a useless endeavor worrying about it, because even if LSU had won those titles it's unlikely LSU would be looked at the way BAMA currently is...so if we as LSU fans are only going through all this with the hope that at some point LSU will be looked at as lovingly by the national press as programs like BAMA, SC, ND, etc, then we're going to be unhappy forever.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:39 am to Qwerty
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But they still didn't deserve to be there. Okst had a better resume by far, and it wasn't even close. Bama not only didnt win the sec, they didn't win their own division. This isn't the nfl, here conferences and the season are supposed to matter.
People can't argue on one hand that they want to see the best two teams play and then bitch about it when that happens. What you want is to have faced OKST so that we would have won, which I think we all believe we would have.
I get what you're saying, but you can't deny that the two best teams played each other that year. As sports fans that's what we want, the best vs the best.
And if conferences were so important ND wouldn't matter at all.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:39 am to TexasTiger1185
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IF, if you think Bama wasn't the better team than OKST to be in the BCS game you're a fool.
And if you think Notre Dame had the best chance to beat Bama last year, you're a fool. But that isn't how it works.
If OSU would've been undefeated, they would've played in the 2011 Championship game, and LSU would've most likely won. And Bama would've smoked someone in the Sugar Bowl and no one would care.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:44 am to TexasTiger1185
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People can't argue on one hand that they want to see the best two teams play and then bitch about it when that happens. What you want is to have faced OKST so that we would have won, which I think we all believe we would have.
I get what you're saying, but you can't deny that the two best teams played each other that year. As sports fans that's what we want, the best vs the best.
My issue with this line of argument is that you're just describing the eyeball test when what we actually had play out, despite it not being called that, was a playoff.
LSU won it's way to the title game, as did OK St by virtue of their actual record and conference title game wins. BAMA jumped OK St because pundits simply decided they thought BAMA was better.
You know what...they may have been. But they didn't earn the trip, which is precisely what we're talking about when we say we want a playoff...the ability to earn a trip to the big game and not have to win a beauty pageant to get there.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:48 am to TexasTiger1185
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And if conferences were so important ND wouldn't matter at all.
Conferences serve differing purposes. From a competitive standpoint, the purpose served in college football is provide a basis of comparison between a sample of teams in a sport where very little consistency exists. There are 124 teams and each plays a 12 game schedule. You don't really know what you're getting. If a group has 8-9 common opponents, you can reasonably produce a "champion."
ND is different for a variety of reasons, but they play a schedule with 11/12 BCS schools, more than anyone else.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:49 am to deSandman
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And if you think Notre Dame had the best chance to beat Bama last year, you're a fool. But that isn't how it works.
Indicate one thing that I've said that implies I think ND was the second best team in the country last year.
Bama belonged in 2011, I don't really give a shite about anything else. Their one loss was by 3 points to the only undefeated team in the country. OKST lost to Iowa State. Yea, they won their conference, I get it folks. I wasn't happy about it either, and I'm still not. Doesn't change the fact that Bama belonged there, and proved it.
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