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re: Cheating or crafty?
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:32 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:32 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:35 pm to jpbTiger
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Yeah my bad. Didn't Hester display some stalling skills as well though??
Hester stayed on the ground after his TD against Florida because something broke with his helmet (I think), he was on the extra point team and wanted to give some time for them to realize he was out and replace him.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:35 pm to gaucho85
quote:AU runs a HUNH offense and had a couple of teams fake or exaggerate injuries to slow us down last year. That is why AU fans do not approve of it.
I wonder if I asked the question differently to the Auburn fans or if the opinions just differ from fanbase to fanbase.
LSU fans don't want to paint themselves into a corner in case someone on their teams utilizes this approach.
I think it is lame, but I don't really care unless a team does it multiple times in the same game.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:35 pm to gaucho85
We did it against A&Ms no huddle fast paced offense...so why not against you guys?
I mean..ive never seen an LSU team come up with so many crucially timed cramps then we did in the Cotton Bowl. More power to the cramp!!
I also dont believe just because a team wants to snap the ball in a hurry..that the officials should oblige them by sprinting to set the ball back in play and blow the whistle.
And yes..it IS gimmicky because it tries to not allow a defense to use its depth of talent or different personel for different situations. This implies that your offense cannot line up and play against whatever the defense has to offer. It's kinda playing scared imo.
I mean..ive never seen an LSU team come up with so many crucially timed cramps then we did in the Cotton Bowl. More power to the cramp!!
I also dont believe just because a team wants to snap the ball in a hurry..that the officials should oblige them by sprinting to set the ball back in play and blow the whistle.
And yes..it IS gimmicky because it tries to not allow a defense to use its depth of talent or different personel for different situations. This implies that your offense cannot line up and play against whatever the defense has to offer. It's kinda playing scared imo.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:38 pm to Swat5
quote:Or it implies that your defenders aren't good enough to stay on the field and play against the same offensive players for multiple plays in a row. It is a strategy that has risk/reward. It is not a gimmick.
And yes..it IS gimmicky because it tries to not allow a defense to use its depth of talent or different personel for different situations. This implies that your offense cannot line up and play against whatever the defense has to offer. It's kinda playing scared imo.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:38 pm to TigerTreyjpg
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Cheating or crafty?
Gimmick offenses deserve gimmicks on defense.
Question: When you go out with your buddies to play a little football, you know, say over Thanksgiving or Xmas, do you sub for every down or do you just play heads up man on man the way football was originally meant to be played?
Point is one could argue that nickel and dime packages, changing personel based on down and distance, etc. could be considered "gimmick" football.
What's so much of a gimmick about running a play, placing the ball and running the next play? Sounds like football to me.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:39 pm to Camp Randall
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I feel that the hurry up offense is kinda cheap.
If you are doing something cheap you shouldn't be pissed when someone else does something cheap to combat it. JMO of course.
+10000000000000 I have always felt this way. It is the only way that OU (Oklahoma that is) has been able to stay relevant after so many BCS bowl embarassments. If you are good you can line up with your 11 and beat my 11. You should need any type of gimmick to help you do that.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:40 pm to WDE24
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AU runs a HUNH offense and had a couple of teams fake or exaggerate injuries to slow us down last year. That is why AU fans do not approve of it.
LSU fans don't want to paint themselves into a corner in case someone on their teams utilizes this approach.
Makes sense. Thanks.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:41 pm to tonydatigah
quote:Does the hurry up offense change the number of players on the field? If your defensive 11 are as good as my offensive 11, then there shouldn't be a problem. It's like a fast break team in basketball. It is simply a strategy that can work or backfire like any other.
If you are good you can line up with your 11 and beat my 11.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:48 pm to gaucho85
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I hear ya. This wasn't meant to be a leading question. I think you can make arguments for both sides. I asked Auburn fans the same question pregame, and they were almost unanimous in calling it cowardly, which I found interesting.
I think most would tend to say "cowardly" until it's nut-cuttin' time and their team is behind- then all bets are off. I'm thinking that includes Oregon.
BTW- you didn't happen to ask the Auburn guys to express their opinions on chop-blocks, did you?
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:49 pm to oleheat
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BTW- you didn't happen to ask the Auburn guys to express their opinions on chop-blocks, did you?
Chop blocks are dirty when done to our players and innocent and unfortunate mistakes when done by our players.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:50 pm to GoDucks349
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Point is one could argue that nickel and dime packages, changing personel based on down and distance, etc. could be considered "gimmick" football.
Defensive substitutions are usually based on the fact the offense is substituting in certain packages.
However...with the advent of spread packages...D-lineman and also linebackers expend way more energy then their counterparts. And the no-huddle, fast pace offenses try to keep the defense from substituting fresh bodies. It's as simple as that.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:52 pm to Swat5
But the offenses can't sub either. If they do, the ref doesn't allow the offense to snap the ball until the d has a chance to sub.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:55 pm to WDE24
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But the offenses can't sub either
did you not see the part where i said the defense lineman and also even linebackers are expending more energy than their counterparts. I dont think there's any argument there. D-lineman expend huge amounts of energy rushing as opposed to the o-lineman
Posted on 8/29/11 at 1:00 pm to gaucho85
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Cheating or crafty?
Who Cares!
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