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re: Chavis felt his defense was under unnecessary strain?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:23 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:23 pm to saintsfan22
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I wasn't going through his entire tenure I'm picking from the last 3 years when its been a glaringly obvious problem. So that's 2 a season.
oh, so you are changing the timeframe so that it helps your argument. well allow me to help you.
LSU played 39 games in the last 3 seasons. the defense "blew it" (by your logic, not mine) in 6 of them. thats 15%. I'd say thats doing a pretty good job.
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True no one ever complains about the offense
laying the sarcasm on pretty thick I see. well, maybe when the offense starts making it a habit of residing in the top 10 like the defense has the last 6 seasons, as opposed to hovering somewhere around 80, maybe us fans will start to hold them to a higher standard.
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Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:27 pm to southeasttiger113
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Auburn and Mississippi State could've hung 70 points on us if they wanted to. They literally scored at will and that's a positive to you because we had two good games against Ole Miss and Alabama but looked mediocre otherwise and even got 31 hung on us by Notre Dame? Solid logic there champ.
picked off UF in endzone to preserve the victory
shut down UK
shut down dr. bo
held bama to its lowest offensive output all season
the ND game it was obvious to anyone watching (so most likely, not you) that the players knew Chavis was gone. was he even in nashville?
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Even if Steele is worse than Chavis, there are still a LOT of DC's out there that are better than him.
name them.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:28 pm to gene_parmesan
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oh, so you are changing the timeframe so that it helps your argument. well allow me to help you.
You're the one who came up with a timeline not me
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LSU played 39 games in the last 3 seasons. the defense "blew it" (by your logic, not mine) in 6 of them. thats 15%. I'd say thats doing a pretty good job.
So the D keeping us from the BCS/playoff by themselves(that's what 2 losses/year do) is pretty good?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:32 pm to saintsfan22
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You're the one who came up with a timeline not me
yeah, I said 6 seasons. guess how long Chavis coached here?
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So the D keeping us from the BCS/playoff by themselves(that's what 2 losses/year do) is pretty good?
considering 2 of the 6 games you are citing are bowl game losses, I fail to see how those have any relevance on keeping us from playoff contention.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:33 pm to BeeFense5
quote:Wrong, so wrong.
"They blew the game and let Bama score at the end to tie it up. You are a fricking imbecile."
Bama had the ball with the score tied 10-10. They had 3 timeouts. They had the game. The defense forced a fumble on the 5 yd line with 90 secs to go and our O proceeded to go in reverse settling for a field goal. That only ran 20 seconds off the clock because Bama saved their timeouts. The squib kick was devastating. But Chavis stopped the TD and they tied the game with a FG. That is 2 stops in 70 seconds and redzone failure by LSU to put the game away with a 2:1 TOP for the evening. You have to score...with the offense. 3 TDs and 4 INTs over the last 4 games is not defensible.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:36 pm to gene_parmesan
We gave up 27 points to UF. That's what most intelligent sports fans call a mediocre performance, genius. And I already addressed the Ole Miss and Bama games, they were our only two truly impressive games of the season.
Smart, Collins, Mattison, Aranda, Venables, Wilcox, Stoops, Bumpas, Pruitt, Foster, and Mardizzi just off the top of my head. Every single one of them would've done just as much at LSU as Chavis did the last 6 years and there are many more than that
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name them
Smart, Collins, Mattison, Aranda, Venables, Wilcox, Stoops, Bumpas, Pruitt, Foster, and Mardizzi just off the top of my head. Every single one of them would've done just as much at LSU as Chavis did the last 6 years and there are many more than that
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:36 pm to Quid Pro Quo
I think you Chavis apologists are assuming everyone here is defending the bad offense which no one is. But don't act like the defense is infallible. That's what most are getting at.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:36 pm to Quid Pro Quo
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Quid Pro Quo
no, you are wrong. the defense must stop the opposing offense every time. if the other team scores, it is because Chavis is a failure. LSU should win every game 3-0/7-0.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:41 pm to Quid Pro Quo
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The defense forced a fumble on the 5 yd line with 90 secs to go and our O proceeded to go in reverse settling for a field goal. That only ran 20 seconds off the clock because Bama saved their timeouts. The squib kick was devastating. But Chavis stopped the TD and they tied the game with a FG.
It was certainly a team loss (although the ref didn't help with the BS personal foul penalty), but asking a top DC to get a stop on a team he's shut down all night, that has no timeouts, with 50 seconds to go, is NOT an "unnecessary strain". It's what every million dollar plus DC in the country lives for. The loss isn't on him alone, but him bitching about even being in that position is low-class.
(assuming he is, I still believe it's a mis-quote)
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:45 pm to gene_parmesan
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yeah, I said 6 seasons. guess how long Chavis coached here?
And I'm going with when it became a visible problem. It's more games if we extend to whole tenure.
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considering 2 of the 6 games you are citing are bowl game losses, I fail to see how those have any relevance on keeping us from playoff contention.
You're going with he does it 15% of the time which is pretty good(even though that's bullshite not all cfb games are equal) I'm going with twice a season.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:48 pm to southeasttiger113
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they were our only two truly impressive games of the season.
i guess back to back shutouts doesn't count for anything anymore.
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Smart, Collins, Mattison, Aranda, Venables, Wilcox, Stoops, Bumpas, Pruitt, Foster, and Mardizzi just off the top of my head. Every single one of them would've done just as much at LSU as Chavis did the last 6 years and there are many more than that
kirby smart - the best in the business
collins - largely unproven, one good year at ms st
mattison - LOL
aranda - average B1G DC, would get smoked in SEC
venables - he is good.
wilcox - largely unproven
stoops - gonna have to be more specific here, assuming you mean mike. meh.
bumpas - he has done very well.
pruitt - lol
foster - highest paid DC in the ACC
maridizzi (im assuming you mean narduzzi) - highest paid DC in the B1G
so you named 3 DCs who are the highest paid in 3 of the power 5 conferences, 2 who have done well at their job, and 6 who are largely based on speculation.
and no, there aren't "many more" than the one you listed. admit it, Chavis is AT WORST a top 15 DC. and thats being very very generous for your argument. in reality, most schools would kill to have someone of his pedigree.
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:57 pm to BeeFense5
The defense had the highest scoring efficiency by far, so what is your point. That is forcing 3 and outs, field position, fumbles, scoop and scores, INTs, blocked passes, etc. The defense is not responsible for lighting up the scoreboard like they did with TM7. Chavis was a hero/innovator while he was here and he is well respected by his players, extremely well respected. That is the measure of the man. Additionally he is highly respected by Miles. Give me one quote from Miles maligning Chief. Miles is 103-29, and fifty of those games he was losing in the fourth qtr. Those were the SEC games. He has a 25 won 25 lost for those and he can thank the defense for clamping down on the opposing offense because Miles is too conservative offensively to score quickly. That has to change. That is an unnecessary strain on the defense.
Chief's contract was not worth more than 6 months because of the Miles clause and Miles was too busy with Michigan to work with Alleva and fix the contract.
Chief's contract was not worth more than 6 months because of the Miles clause and Miles was too busy with Michigan to work with Alleva and fix the contract.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:59 pm to lsu2006
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I mean... Is it really that far-fetched?
yes
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:00 pm to gene_parmesan
yes there are many more. You even agreed that Chavis doesn't do anything more than coach his defenses up to their talent level. Do you understand how many coaches in the country lead their defenses to play to their talent level? A lot, you just haven't heard any of their names because they don't have twenty 4/5 star prospects on their team at one time. Give a single one of those coordinators that I named LSU's talent and they easily finish top 5 in total defensePosted on 3/1/15 at 11:04 pm to Quid Pro Quo
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He has a 25 won 25 lost for those and he can thank the defense for clamping down on the opposing offense because Miles is too conservative offensively to score quickly.
Actually I would say quite a few of those wins were due to Miles philosophy of pounding the ball, running clock and getting the winning score with little time on the clock for the other team. You seem to be less objective about the big picture than those you're arguing with.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:08 pm to lsu2006
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, we had good TOP on offense at times (which kept his D's fresh), but we didn't exactly light up the scoreboard. His defenses kept us in a number of ball games. There's really no debating that.
I Agree here... There are plenty of games that the offenses should have put the game away and just couldn't because of Miles.........
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:08 pm to southeasttiger113
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yes there are many more. You even agreed that Chavis doesn't do anything more than coach his defenses up to their talent level. Do you understand how many coaches in the country lead their defenses to play to their talent level? A lot, you just haven't heard any of their names because they don't have twenty 4/5 star prospects on their team at one time. Give a single one of those coordinators that I named LSU's talent and they easily finish top 5 in total defense
everything you said is based purely on speculation. I prefer to deal in the concrete rather than the abstract.
does LSU only pull in top recruits on the defensive side of the ball? you seem to act as if talent alone wins ball games, if that were the case than LSUs offense would be kicking arse and taking names, right? RIGHT? NO. because you still need to coach the players.
instead of arguing in circles with me, go on SEC rant. start a thread. list 20 DCs in it, ask the posters to rank them. report back with your findings.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:08 pm to ForeLSU
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It was certainly a team loss (although the ref didn't help with the BS personal foul penalty), but asking a top DC to get a stop on a team he's shut down all night, that has no timeouts, with 50 seconds to go, is NOT an "unnecessary strain". It's what every million dollar plus DC in the country lives for. The loss isn't on him alone, but him @#$%&ing about even being in that position is low-class.
Well said.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:17 pm to AlwysATgr
Is there any confirmation that Chavis actually made the unnecessary strain comment or is it only third hand info?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:18 pm to gene_parmesan
Yea you've really been in the "concrete" in this thread. Pretty sure you haven't make a single argument backed by statistics in this entire thread so maybe you should double check that. And the fact that you'd even compare offense to defense shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. We don't have a quarterback, dumbass. There's a much bigger margin for individual error at any position on defense than quarterback. Mathieu blows a coverage in 2011? Big deal, Peterson is there to back him up. Jennings fricks up an assignment at QB? The play is blown. You're clueless
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