re: Charlie Mac and Les Miles

To have a chance at being an elite college football team, change is required. If having a second-tier team is acceptable, then that will be the result, at best.

Clearly head coaching changes must be thought out carefully and slowly, unfortunately for the suffering fans. LSU did not get a coach to best its second-tier coach Charlie Mac until around two decades later, an awful period that included a shameful, unacceptable number of losses to Alabama even without Bear Bryant. And assistant coach changes should be made well before head coach changes

Enough with general rules. How are the rules used here? Today's thought is let Coach Crowton go now instead of waiting another year to be sure he cannot beat Alabama, Florida, Ole Miss, and yes, West Virginia or North Carolina or both. (After that scheduling fiasco, maybe Alleva, the most expendable man on campus, should go now.) Coach Miles is being paid too much for fans to tolerate another miserable offensive performance, and no one will know whether Coach Crowton is part of the problem until he is gone. This is a hard-hearted calculated risk, which is what a worthwhile judgment usually is. Ditto the offensive line coach.

It is unpleasant to say this about Coach Crowton. He seems to be a real nice guy and a brilliant man. He deserves a lot of thanks for helping LSU win a national championship.

Fan confidence might be better if Coach Miles had allowed Coach Crowton to speak to the media often and at length. He is articulate, pleasant, and very smart. Maybe if Miles had had Coach Crowton explain the play and roster decisions all year long, people might have more confidence in both coaches. If Coach Crowton stays, push him out in front to defend himself; at least the fans can then judge for themselves instead of making guesses about Coach Miles.

Communication will be a later topic.

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Exactly. I've been in Ann Arbor for five years. Folks here couldn't push Lloyd Carr out fast enough. Consistent 9-2 but couldn't beat rival Ohio State. UM hired the hot name at the time - Rodriguez (who also was considered by BAMA before they lured Saban from the Dolphins). These have been Hallman-type years for UM the last two years.

You guys who come on here cursing and saying we should fire Miles because he makes us look bad need to look long and hard into the mirror. Sounds like you don't need anyone to help you in that regard.

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Seriously, Those that are calling for and hinting that Miles should be canned are not friends of the program.

You don't fire a coach 2 or even 3 years removed from a National Title unless there is a complete disintegration of the program or major scandal.

Because if you do that you won't be able to hire a quality replacement.

That being said. If LSU goes 9-4 or worse in 2010 and 2011 then the admin will probably make a move simply because of his salary.

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Really have to think it's time for Tiger-n-Atlantis to keep his opinions in Atlantis and enjoy the successes of Georgia Tech. We neither need or want your garbage here.

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+1 i don't even read his crap anymore.

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so we're comparing miles to the most victorious coach in LSU history and saying how lackluster both of them are/were in the same breath

got it

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Well, I'm glad someone gets it cause makes no sense to me.

We are probably talkin' bout two of the most productive coaches in LSU history and acting like we would have better off without them.

Mac had a run of bout 5 to 6 yes, as I recall, where he won 9 games a yr. In the 70ies, that was some excellent football in the SEC.

His problem was not so much Bama, as it was his inability to keep that kinda production going as he dropped off to 5 to 8 wins.

Both are fine men and fine coaches who LSU was lucky to have leading its football program. imo

I think the biggest problem after reading all of these comments, is the majority of the negative comments about Miles are from the mouths of babes,
they haven't lived in the real world yet, they are quick to give their opinions about something that they really do not have enough long term knowledge about. Firing Miles, would be like Michigans situation is now....BE A LITTLE MORE TOLERATE.... I asure you, Bama fans will be just like this if little nicky doesn't win NT three years in a row...won't happen, hell Florida didn't do it either with SUPERMAN...GET OVER IT..

I can see a patern that none of us wants to see. McClendon was noted for his defensive mind not his offensive skills, 7 wins 3 loses was the norm. Miles if not carefull in future years could go year end and out at 8 and 4, due to 4 coaches who may have his number. Hope I am wrong have this feeling about Bama, Florida, Ark , and Ole Miss. Will we be satisfied with a winning record which some will categorize as mediocre.

I really have to laugh with tears of sorrow at the morons who think they know anything about Cholly Mac!
To complain about Mac never beating the Bear and Bama is to neglect the facts-nobody else did either! Not Shug Jordan, Vince Dooley, Johnny Majors, Johnny Vaught or any other SEC or OOC coaches other than every now and then. Like the Saints under Jim Mora, who had the bad luck to win 12-13 games a year and not even make the playoffs because they were in the same division as San Francisco, who was at the height of its glory at the time, Mac's best years were when Bama was at it's best. Nobody beat them!

In his last years, he lost one of the best qb's LSU ever had in Miracle Mike Miley who left him high and dry to go play MLB after Mac had installed the Veer offense just for him. This led Mac to use Billy Broussard, who was hurt in a car wreck just before the season started and the late Carl Otis Trimble who couldn't pass if his name was "Pass"!

Also during that time, LSU suffered major injuries to key players, reducing depth and experience because freshmen weren't eligible to play then, albeit with larger scholly numbers.

One of the worst mistakes in LSU history was getting rid of Mac! Shortly after LSU fired him, Bryant retired and LSU would have taken over as the powerhouse team in the SEC and Mac probably would have won at least one NC. Instead Vince Dooley and Ga. pretty much became top dog, no pun intended.

I like Les and I do think he's comparable to Mac in many ways and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned!

As far as Crowton, I think the guy is TOO smart! I believe he sees a play unfold in his head and it works and he can't fathom that it doesn't work the same way on the field. I don't think he adjusts his playcalling for the level of experience on the field. Matt Flynn was a seasoned sr. qb surrounded by mostly verts at key spots and playing with a defense that kept the other team from scoring. Not so with JJ and this team or last year.

But nobody seems to point out the horrendous play of the receivers this year. Dropped balls in key situations, their poor blocking, poor route running and overall lazy performance except for a few great plays contributed as much as anything to LSU's record this year. TT perhaps could be singled out for an exception to these comments. Getting rid of McCarthy, for whatever reason, is an attempt by Les to rectify this. Hopefully, he'll bring in somebody really good.

However the thing that perhaps bothers me most is this teams lack of physicality and toughness! We used make teams regret they ever took the field against us, beating them to a pulp the way Bama beat us up this year. Beating a team physically can make up for some shortcomings in other areas. I'd love to see us get that back as a starting point.

5 years. national championship, two sec west titles, and one outright title. wins ten games a year in the sec. and next year is going to be his best team since 2007. can any of you idiots give me a coach thats better than ten wins a year in the sec? please