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re: Charles McClendon- Greatest LSU Football Coach?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:49 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:49 pm to SaintlyTiger88
[quote]Coach McClendon never won more than 9 games in a season
A big issue- and add to that, the Tigers were on the decline in Mac's last years, and all those big games in the 70's against Bama & the Bear- Mac lost them all! And lastly, probably Mac's best team, the 1969 team that lost only to Ole Piss, instead of taking a bowl game, he convinced the team to skip a bowl game, since they were passed over in the Cotton for Notre Lame. I know Mac loved LSU, and noting personal against him, but after that 1969 season, we were never going to seriously be in the National Title hunt..
A big issue- and add to that, the Tigers were on the decline in Mac's last years, and all those big games in the 70's against Bama & the Bear- Mac lost them all! And lastly, probably Mac's best team, the 1969 team that lost only to Ole Piss, instead of taking a bowl game, he convinced the team to skip a bowl game, since they were passed over in the Cotton for Notre Lame. I know Mac loved LSU, and noting personal against him, but after that 1969 season, we were never going to seriously be in the National Title hunt..
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:51 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:He also had a guy accusing him and the school of racism.
What I want to know is what happened after Mike Archer's first two seasons? He went from winning 18 games in his first two seasons to only winning half of that in his last two seasons. Why the decline? I was a baby during the Archer era lol.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:52 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:I guess you think Mac is better than Saban?
if Miles stays a few more years he will easily eclipse McClendon.
I think Miles and LSU would have to implode for Miles to regress to Cholly's Win %.
I doubt TAF/BOS/Rant allows that, so..........
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:56 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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So Les Miles is definitely making his case, by the time he's done, he will surely have a case for greatest of all time!
This
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:58 pm to La Place Mike
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He also had a guy accusing him and the school of racism.
It's a long time ago, I didn't remember if it was actually during the Archer years, but the 'guy' who started that racism bull shite was none other than BOBBY BOWDEN!
As to Archer's fall- he couldn't recruit worth shite!
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:59 pm to Mayhawman
Saban would have been number 1 had he stayed, imo. His tenure was so short here so I would have Mac number 1 and Miles number 2 with a bullet.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:06 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Mac #1??? One conference title in 18 years lol
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:11 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
Sentimentality and longevity. 
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:11 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Also back in Chollys era, LSU didn't play the likes of McNeese, UAB, and so on. Now they did play teams like Rice, Vanderbilt of course, but these were Div. 1 schools none the less. And he also had to beat the bear, and not too many did back then, hence the Natl. champs. the bear won. His players liked him, just like LM, and they both have, had great defenses. I respect both, and put them neck and neck.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:12 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Mac was a good coach but not great
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:32 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Saban would have been number 1 had he stayed, imo.
Conjecture.
quote:Based on what metric?
I would have Mac number 1 and Miles number 2 with a bullet.
I grew up with Cholly's teams. Maybe '69 was good enough to be considered for MNC.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:33 pm to cheesesteak501
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Les Miles career will shite on that when it's all said and done.
His career already does
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:41 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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One conference title in 18 years lol
Actually, having one conference title IS good for that era.
In the late 1960s, LSU was hurt by Tulane's withdrawal from the SEC. LSU finished conference runner-up once or twice in the late 1960s because the TU game no longer counted in the conference standings, giving LSU a lower winning percentage. LSU eventually added another conference game to replace TU.
In the 1970s, when the Bear was at Alabama, literally NOBODY won the conference title but the Bear (LSU won in 1970, and then all of the other titles in the 1970s, except '76, were won by Bama).
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:50 pm to Mayhawman
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I grew up with Cholly's teams.
As did I.
damnedoldtigah has made some excellent posts in this thread and I agree with his comments re the Cholly Mc era.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 11:51 pm to JawjaTigah
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I put loyalty to LSU as one of the chief characteristics of a top coach, along with length of tenure and that all-important w/l record. Which is why I put both Cholly Mac and Les Miles in a dead heat for greatest coaches at LSU in my lifetime. LSU was/is the job they wanted (ok, maybe Michigan was tempting), unlike Dietzel and Saban, who were happy to use LSU as a stepping stone on their way to other pastures.
Absolutely agree, and I think Miles will surpass Cholly Mac.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:05 am to SaintlyTiger88
Coach Miles is greatest Tiger coach. But Charlie Mac is right behind him ... 
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:07 am to wfeliciana
[quote]The BOS's involvement really did not get de-emphasized until Mark Emmert oversaw the hiring of Nick Saban.[/
This probably is overlooked the most, but is most likely the most significant single event that set us on our present course.
This probably is overlooked the most, but is most likely the most significant single event that set us on our present course.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 7:15 am to Mayhawman
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Based on what metric?
Wins? (Sorry. Forgot those didn't matter, anymore.)
quote:
I grew up with Cholly's teams.
So did I.
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Maybe '69 was good enough to be considered for MNC.
Certainly was - would have beaten either Texas or Notre Dame. Old school screwing by the powers-that-be.
Let me ask the kids and the Mac haters a question - what do the numbers:
6,3,6,6,0,7,7,0,18,6,6,0
mean to any of y'all?
That was the number of points LSU gave up during the 1958 season. And I know more about defense than Dietzel.
Seriously, none of you give Mac partial credit for 1958? Not even 5 1/2 points per game, with going soft against Duke while up big in the second half (we scored 50)?
And in 1969 - that team was 1 field goal from the Cotton Bowl.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 7:27 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Miles!
Posted on 6/4/14 at 7:58 am to SaintlyTiger88
I'd put him at #2
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