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re: Chad Jones hit was NOT helmet to helmet
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:07 am to jwall3
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:07 am to jwall3
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but it did fly off. Let's deal with what actually happened. And if he had been hit directly on the helmet there is no way it would fly off in the opposite direction. At best it would have flown straight up and back. clean, hard, great hit.
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Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:08 am to Lester Earl
IT'S THE SIMPLE RULES OF INERTIA!!!
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:09 am to tigerclicks
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Are you kidding me? Interpret that for me. I guess every player that catches a pass is a defenseless player..
Jesus Christ its like explaining the rules to my sister's kids.
YOU CANNOT DIRECT A BLOW TOWARDS A RECIEVERS HEAD WHILE HE IS IN THE ACT OF CATCHING A PASS.
You can hit him in the body after he touches the ball.
While his concentration is on the ball the tackler is not allowed to go high.
This post was edited on 11/29/09 at 1:12 am
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:12 am to theenemy
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I just don't have a problem with the NCAA and officials trying to protect OUR players.
Sure, like the Refs protected LSU's QB in the 'bama game when he took a speared helmet to the chest with an official standing right there ... as opposed to the official way back down field tossing the hankie on the Chad Jones decleater tonight.
If it was such an obvious penalty, how come the pair of refs standing closest to the two players, both close with clear sight-lines, weren't the ones littering the field with hankies?
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:15 am to theenemy
The ref saw a blow directed towards the reciever's head while he was in the act of catching it and called the penalty.
Even if the helmets only glanced it is the tacklers responsibility to stay low on the tackle.
Even if the helmets only glanced it is the tacklers responsibility to stay low on the tackle.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:15 am to theenemy
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You can hit him in the body after he touches the ball.
Thank you, you have proved our point. He was clearly not interfered with which means he had touched the ball and therefore his concentration was not on the ball anymore. DONE.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:22 am to HomesickLadyTiger
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Sure, like the Refs protected LSU's QB in the 'bama game when he took a speared helmet to the chest with an official standing right there
So since they missed that penalty they aren't allowed to call anymore. Really, this is your argument?
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If it was such an obvious penalty, how come the pair of refs standing closest to the two players, both close with clear sight-lines, weren't the ones littering the field with hankies?
Because it is a judgement call. If an official believes a blow was directed towards a defenseless players head they have been instructed to call the penalty.
The ref that threw the flag believed it to be an illegal hit. The other refs could have told him no it was a good hit and they could have picked up the flag but because it was not an obvious LEGAL hit the penalty stood.
The officials have been instructed to call the penalty when the hit is in question meaning borderline hits also will get penalized more times than not.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:23 am to LSUcc
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If it was such an obvious penalty, how come the pair of refs standing closest to the two players, both close with clear sight-lines, weren't the ones littering the field with hankies?
Because it was a great hit and no penalty should have been called. Period. Good night little piggies!
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:25 am to LSUcc
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Thank you, you have proved our point. He was clearly not interfered with which means he had touched the ball and therefore his concentration was not on the ball anymore. DONE.
Wrong again
He was still in the process of making the catch. Had he not still been in the process of making the catch it would have been a catch and fumble. And since he would have in the endzone there cannot be a fumble after the catch and it would have been a TD.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:29 am to tigerclicks
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Because it was a great hit and no penalty should have been called.
It was a great hit. I've already said that it was a great play on another thread.
Its just a play where you give up the 15 yard penalty to save the TD.
I don't have a problem with Jones making that play.
Its a penalty get over it. The NCAA is emphasizing not going high on recievers in the act of catching a pass.
REMEMBER YA'LL WON THE GAME. Why are ya'll complaining about a penalty?
This post was edited on 11/29/09 at 1:31 am
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:31 am to theenemy
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He was still in the process of making the catch. Had he not still been in the process of making the catch it would have been a catch and fumble
Oooooooh ok, i get it. so you're not allowed to hit someone until they catch the ball have two feet down and make a football move...fail. how about that hit on the receiver in OT in mid-air when he landed on his back and got the wind knocked out of him, but then again he had touched the ball. he was surely defenseless, right? get some facts please.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:33 am to theenemy
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YOU CANNOT DIRECT A BLOW TOWARDS A RECIEVERS HEAD WHILE HE IS IN THE ACT OF CATCHING A PASS.
theenemy, you are correct. But isn't this precisely the question? Is there video that shows Jones hitting him in the head?
To me, it looked like Jones hit him in the body (shoulder) causing the receiver's head to lurch forward. Thus, the helmet, which was not properly strapped, flies forward.
Of course, that opinion is based solely on the few looks that ESPN showed (and I don't have HD). Are there pics/video that show Jones hitting him in the head?
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:37 am to LSUcc
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Oooooooh ok, i get it. so you're not allowed to hit someone until they catch the ball have two feet down and make a football move...fail.
Can you not read?
YOU CAN'T DIRECT THE BLOW TOWARDS HIS HEAD WHILE HE IS IN THE ACT OF CATCHING THE FOOTBALL. YOU CAN DIRECT THE BLOW TO HIS BODY.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:38 am to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:So did I.
I personally thought it was helmet to helmet,
quote:Not that one though.
but the refs missed calls on both sides all night.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:40 am to taf
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But isn't this precisely the question? Is there video that shows Jones hitting him in the head?
To me, it looked like Jones hit him in the body (shoulder) causing the receiver's head to lurch forward. Thus, the helmet, which was not properly strapped, flies forward.
Its a judgement call the ref has to make at where the blow is directed to.
Refs have been instructed if there is any question to call the penalty. Kinda better safe than sorry.
NCAA is trying to emphasis players not going high in these instances to protect the reciever and tackler.
As you seen Jones injured himself also.
This post was edited on 11/29/09 at 1:41 am
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:43 am to Geauxtiga
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REMEMBER YA'LL WON THE GAME. Why are ya'll complaining about a penalty?
I wasn't complaining, just responding to your threads. I already said goodnight piggies. Nice call refs!
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:46 am to tigerclicks
I can't understand how anybody thinks that was H2H.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:49 am to theenemy
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YOU CAN DIRECT THE BLOW TO HIS BODY
Was going to fix it for you, but u got it right anyway. good thing CJ DIDN'T hit him in the head. again, WATCH THE VIDEO and the DIRECTION the helmet goes after the hit. SIMPLE RULES OF INERTIA TELL YOU HE DIDN'T MAKE CONTACT WITH ARKY PLAYER'S HEAD. you may be quoting the rule correctly, but it was not called correctly.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:51 am to theenemy
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Its a judgement call the ref has to make at where the blow is directed to.
Refs have been instructed if there is any question to call the penalty. Kinda better safe than sorry.
Agree. Judgement call. And better safe than sorry to be sure. I'm definitely in favor of protecting players.
I'm just saying that it's possible that an incorrect judgement was made, though an understandable one. That is, Jones hit him in the body and the receiver's helmet flew off, making it look like he hit him in the head. It's not an egregious error. Given the circumstance, probably an easy one to make. The ref erred on the side of making the call, not knowing for sure whether he hit him in the head.
Maybe someone will post some high def pics that show me to wrong about that, though.
I know none of this stuff matters, but I do find the discussion interesting.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:54 am to LSUcc
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Was going to fix it for you, but u got it right anyway. good thing CJ DIDN'T hit him in the head. again, WATCH THE VIDEO and the DIRECTION the helmet goes after the hit. SIMPLE RULES OF INERTIA TELL YOU HE DIDN'T MAKE CONTACT WITH ARKY PLAYER'S HEAD. you may be quoting the rule correctly, but it was not called correctly.
Again
For it to be a penalty the ref must think the blow was TOWARDS the head. If it is questionable the NCAA has instructed the refs to call the penalty.
The NCAA is trying to limit head to head contact by calling all hits on defenseless players that are high. This is a point of emphasis of the NCAA.
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