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re: Canada's possible departure and it's impact on the offense

Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:20 pm to
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Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:20 pm to
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Well that's why I never heard of him like the other poser who seems upset he plays for his team.


Do you really not understand the concept of having a favorite team and then having a family member play for another one? And then rooting for that other team because it means your family member is winning?

What a sad little man you are.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:20 pm to
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You do realize Nick Saban hired Lane Kiffin don't you?


Uh... Yeah?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:26 pm to
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He's never been a coordinator on either side of the ball and his history is a d line coach. What is there to tell us he has an offensive preference or identity?


Now, let's not act like a person who is coaching football at any serious level can't at least articulate a general offensive philosophy even if lacking the skill to implement it. I do think we have to remain reasonable here.

I mean, I don't coach college football. But, if one asked me to articulate to a potential coach a framework I'd like my offense to exist under, I most certainly could do that.

Hell, we don't want him articulating detail! That's kinda the point.
Posted by ceschwartz
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:27 pm to
I'm afraid he will if he cam
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:28 pm to
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Hell, we don't want him articulating detail! That's kinda the point.




That's a sad reality.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:29 pm to
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Now, let's not act like a person who is coaching football at any serious level can't at least articulate a general offensive philosophy even if lacking the skill to implement it.

Let's also not act like he hasn't been asked the question on a number of occasions before and hasn't been able to articulate the same philosophy consistently. He's been all over the map.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:29 pm to
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He said he was going to hire the best. What if the best doesn’t fit whatever his style is on that particular day?


The great thing about using the word "best" for basically anything is that it's subjective.

If I'm hiring the "best" financial analyst, part of the equation for arriving at the "best" is, "who I am most comfortable with".

I mean.......that's applicable to everything. You think that Saban isn't thinking, "I want to hire the best offensive coordinator"?

It's just his definition of "best" and say, Urban Meyer's definition might be different.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:32 pm to

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You do realize Nick Saban hired Lane Kiffin don't you?

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Uh... Yeah?


But you didn't go read the internet from when Saban hired Kiffin. There are quotes from Saban that will make you question all the shite you typed in the post of yours I was replying to.

Bottom line is, as good as Coach Eaux is at recruiting he is damn near as good at seeing talent in the coaching ranks.

People mention Saban's coaching tree. Big deal, the guy hires coaches who have been coaching way before joining Saban and becomes a head coach.

In three years at Ole Miss Coach Eaux gave two coaches their FIRST EVER college coaching positions and they went on to become successful head coaches.

Coach Eaux has made fires and hires at LSU. None of them have been bad. Why would someone go into full melt about it possibly happening again. Especially, since it hasn't and won't even happen. Canada will be at LSU next year.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:32 pm to
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That's a sad reality.


Meh.

Keep in mind. I VERY MUCH opposed the O hire and frankly, still think it was indefensible in terms of logic.

But, logical hires fail every day. And, occasionally, WTF hires work out.

So, at this point, I'm evaluating 100% based on what I see in front of me.

I don't honestly think it's a huge deal if the HC isn't pushing offensive philosophy. Sure. I don't want him having a triple option OC one year followed by a Lane Kiffen clone the next.

But frankly, I think that's a silly thing to even worry about.

I think he hired Canada because he was a solid coach that was available given the constraints(let's be blunt here. Until he put a decent season under his belt, O wasn't going to attract a LOT of options).

But, that's not to say that the next guy won't be much close to the mold O probably would have preferred in the 1st place.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:36 pm to
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It's just his definition of "best"

That’s what a lot of people were afraid of, but they were assured it was best in the literal sense.

And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with a head coach hiring for a philosophy they believe in. But you can’t really use that to sell Ed Orgeron as a head coach, which is why the literal interpretation was pushed so heavily.

Posted by thanksjhester
Sonic
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:37 pm to
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Can it be safe to say that this is a huge problem with the Coach O hands-off CEO style of coaching? He has no offensive philosophy himself. He has been told by his boss to leave the offense alone. Am I the only one who sees this as a huge problem, or am I overreacting?
Saban goes through this process quit often and he is no offensive coach. As bad as I hate to see it this soon and no I'm not comparing O to Saban
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:43 pm to
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But you didn't go read the internet from when Saban hired Kiffin. There are quotes from Saban that will make you question all the shite you typed in the post of yours I was replying to.


Care to prove it?

The only thing I could find even remotely close to what you're claiming.

quote:

The players have responded to him very well – new energy, new enthusiasm, new ideas to do some things offensively that will enhance our chance of being successful," he said. "I'm really excited to have the opportunity to work with him."


New ideas doesn't mean complete brand new offense.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:48 pm to
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That’s what a lot of people were afraid of, but they were assured it was best in the literal sense.
Well that's just dumb.

It's coaching.

There's no such thing as a "literal best" when choosing an OC.

I mean, #1, the person has to actually be available. And, of course, #2, "best" for team A might not be "best" for team B.

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But you can’t really use that to sell Ed Orgeron as a head coach, which is why the literal interpretation was pushed so heavily.
I'm not trying to sell him as HC. I wish we'd gone with someone else.

But that doesn't mean I feel the need to make up shite to worry about.

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which is why the literal interpretation was pushed so heavily.
The only people who would have interpreted it "literally" are morons
Posted by LSUboudreau
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:11 pm to
KENDAL BRILES COME ON DOWWWWN
Posted by tiogatiger19
tioga, la
Member since Aug 2005
1513 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:23 pm to
What's the difference between O and Miles? Except for the fact O is doing what everyone wanted Miles to do, let the coaches coach.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27825 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:35 pm to
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What's the difference between O and Miles?

Over 100 wins and a couple championships as of today.
Posted by Eternally Undefeated
Member since Aug 2008
899 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:45 pm to
Why don't we just all wait and see what happens before getting so distressed about possibilities?

Posted by ForLSU56
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:52 pm to
Tiger Ree
You are banging your head against the wall with this bunch sugar tits
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:52 pm to
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Am I the only one who sees this as a huge problem, or am I overreacting?


you are overreacting. miles was in the exact same position. yes, a HC needs to hire good coordinators; that is nothing new. the narrative that all of these other HC's both coach and lead the team is not correct. sure, some pretty much coach a position but so does O. HC's also have a philosophy for their offense (spread, ball control, run, etc) and O's is pretty much a mixture of that. I have seen that with my own eyes.

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