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re: Can the Jarrett Lee knights...
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:43 am to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:43 am to LSU Fan 90812
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It was a bad year. Hopefully he comes back and does better.
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Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:46 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I'm not blaming the D for his problems. But can you not comprehend how the play of one can have an effect on the play of another?
in my recollection, it was the offense putting the defense in position to give up points, and its inability to sustain drives and keep the defense off the field seems more likely the culprit.
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And I noticed you didn't respond to the comment about the offensive playcalling continually putting him in a position to execute plays that everyone knew that he couldn't.
firstly, the coaches at the time did not know yet that he couldn't. he just ended up proving time after time that he couldn't.
secondly, we have no idea what plays were called, what freedoms were given, and what simple coaching was ignored in the heat of battle.
This post was edited on 1/13/09 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:47 am to LSU Fan 90812
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certain statistics could paint Aaron Brooks as one of the most successful quarterbacks in Saints history
Such as?
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:53 am to RobbBobb
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Such as?
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-Aaron Brooks threw for more than 20 touchdowns and 3,500 yards in four consecutive seasons -- the best streaks in either category in club history.
-Aaron Brooks is the Saints TD leader over Archie Manning 120-115
-Aaron Brooks has 1 of 2 Saints victories in the Playoffs in franchise History
You catching my drift yet? Stats can be shaped any way you want them.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:54 am to LSU Fan 90812
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no amount of freshman excuses can be issued to excuse the fact that he had an awful season, LE.
right. cause all FR QB's light the world on fire
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:55 am to LSU Fan 90812
Aaron Brooks was a good QB until the Katrina season.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:55 am to LSU Fan 90812
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in my recollection, it was the offense putting the defense in position to give up points, and its inability to sustain drives and keep the defense off the field seems more likely the culprit.
The first game that Lee played badly in was the Florida game. The D gave up a 70 yard TD bomb on the 3rd play of the game and went down 17-0 nothing in the first quarter before Lee threw his first pick.
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firstly, the coaches at the time did not know yet that he couldn't. he just ended up proving time after time that he couldn't.
At what time did they not realize that he could not throw into zone coverage over the middle or look off defenders? Did they figure it out after the Florida game? After South Carolina? Georgia? Tulane? Bama? Troy? Eventually they probably should have had a hint.
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secondly, we have no idea what plays were called, what freedoms were given, and what simple coaching was ignored in the heat of battle.
True we can't know exactly, but the routes the receivers were running in didn't appear to change much.
This post was edited on 1/13/09 at 11:56 am
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:55 am to Lester Earl
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right. cause all FR QB's light the world on fire
did i say that? or are you being stubborn like usual?
LE, did he have an awful season yes or no?
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:57 am to Tiger Voodoo
Keep it up Karma, you're one of the few voices of reason on this subject.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 11:57 am to Tiger Voodoo
the point is that's neither here nor there. He had a bad season. It doesn't mean he's a bad quarterback or hopeless or whatever.
and we can quibble over fault for days. IMHO, Ultimately, fault goes to the person making the plays. Lee, a testament to the type of guy he is, would say that it was his fault.
But he had an awful freshman year by almost any account.
and we can quibble over fault for days. IMHO, Ultimately, fault goes to the person making the plays. Lee, a testament to the type of guy he is, would say that it was his fault.
But he had an awful freshman year by almost any account.
This post was edited on 1/13/09 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:04 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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But he had an awful freshman year by almost any account.
He did lead an SEC team to a 7-4 record in games in which he played a major role in. By that account, no it was not a horrible freshman season. And that is a pretty important number IMO.
However, your point is well taken but pointless. Who here has said Lee had a great year? I think he filled in admirably in a shitty situation and had some good moments and some awful moments. But no, I do not agree that he had an "awful" year.
This post was edited on 1/13/09 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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He did lead an SEC team to a 7-4 record in game in which he played a major role in. By that account, no it was not a horrible freshman season. And that is a pretty important number IMO.
when that team is as talented as LSU demonstrated that they are, that sure does stand out as an important number doesn't it?
7-4 is acceptable at LSU now?
come on man. quit making excuses and just call it for what it is.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:09 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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LE, did he have an awful season yes or no?
in what context?
the context that he was a FR starting in the SEC: no, his season wasn't awful. It went like most FR season. And it was a great building block for him and LSU for the future.
the context of a usual season by an upperclassmen QB, sure, he had a bad season.
but you want to call me stubborn and say that you can twist stats anyway you like; that's pretty much exactly what you are doing.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:10 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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when that team is as talented as LSU demonstrated that they are, that sure does stand out as an important number doesn't it?
7-4 is acceptable at LSU now?
When a freshman QB leads a team that lost a load of leadership and talent to the NFL leads an SEC team to a 7-4 record, with all 4 losses coming to teams who finished in the top 15, I do not consider that an "awful" season for that freshman QB, no.
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come on man. quit making excuses and just call it for what it is.
"It" was an "awful" year for LSU, yes. Not for Lee. He was not the reason LSU finished 8-5. I would only put 1 of our losses primarily on Lee's shoulders, and even then, it was still a team loss.
But the Bama game would have been different IMO had Lee not made the mistakes he did. I do think that was a terribly called game though as well. Wild Tiger on 2nd and 5 in overtime setting up a 3rd and 6? Again, setting a young QB up to fail IMO.
This post was edited on 1/13/09 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:13 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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For Brooks, the high point in his career with the Saints came very early. Brooks led the turnaround of the Saints in the 2000 season, his first with the franchise. In the Saints' previous season, they were 3-13. In 2000, the Saints not only made the playoffs with a 10-6 record, but defeated the defending Super Bowl champion
Yeah I catch your drift. Turning a 3-13 team into a 10-6 playoff team can only be done with misleading stats.
Gotcha!
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:14 pm to Lester Earl
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no, his season wasn't awful. It went like most FR season.
agree to disagree
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but you want to call me stubborn and say that you can twist stats anyway you like; that's pretty much exactly what you are doing.
i'm not using stats. I'm using an overall just snapshot assessment.
So when you think about this season and Jarrett Lee's play, you think. Oh that was okay for a freshman. Just about par for the course?
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:16 pm to RobbBobb
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Yeah I catch your drift. Turning a 3-13 team into a 10-6 playoff team can only be done with misleading stats.
you're really missing the point.
it's that stats can be used and manipulated in a way to try and make any argument. The same stats I listed could've been used to say the saints never should have let AB go.
just stop already.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:17 pm to Lester Earl
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did he have an awful season yes or no?
hell no
Awful = losing season
Avg = 6 to 7 wins
Good = 8+ wins and a bowl
Great season = BCS contender 'til the end
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:18 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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So when you think about this season and Jarrett Lee's play, you think. Oh that was okay for a freshman. Just about par for the course?
yes, i think it par for the course for a Freshman QB.
3 losses to FL, Alabama, UGA,
he had a lot of positives. Definitely something to build on. If you cannot see that, then I dont know what to say.
And we'll need him next year. Hopefully he doesn't transfer because that means another 4-5 losses for us.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:19 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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"It" was an "awful" year for LSU, yes. Not for Lee. He was not the reason LSU finished 8-5. I would only put 1 of our losses primarily on Lee's shoulders, and even then, it was still a team loss
You don't think Lee would call this season awful?
You don't think the team looked like they'd given up on him?
That he'd given up on himself?
That his confidence looked blown?
That he ended up having to get benched for someone less seasoned than himself?
To me, that looks like an awful season for a freshman qb.
That's not ups and downs of a freshman.
That's a guy that got taken to the woodshed. Come on now.
Does that mean all hope is lost with Lee? Heck no.
Hopefully he has a better year next year.
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