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Can Johnny Jones be the next Les Miles??
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:12 am
I know when Miles was first hired, people hated the hire and thought we could do much better. The same kinda thing is going on for JJ. He's put together a good group of coaches that should recruit well. I think he might succeed like LM has. What yall think?
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Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:14 am to Broham
That's a pretty high bar. I think the football program has some built in advantages that the basketball team doesn't, regardless of the coach.
However, I am liking Johnny more and more everyday. We should know a lot more about a year, after his first season is over and his first full recruiting class is done. Lots of talent in Louisiana and DFW.
However, I am liking Johnny more and more everyday. We should know a lot more about a year, after his first season is over and his first full recruiting class is done. Lots of talent in Louisiana and DFW.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:15 am to Broham
He absolutely could. He has already changed a ton of peoples minds since the hiring and with a couple good recruiting classes (I think he's already had one) he could be a stud coach for a long time... And we don't have to worry about him leaving LSU.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:16 am to Broham
He can't be any worse than what LSU had.
If nothing else, he knows landscape and will recruit.
Was it the best LSU could have hired? No, you should be able to attract a sitting coach at a bigger school but the LSU job is not that attractive right now and what big name coach wants to come into the shadow of the football program.
The key for this hire is how well Jones can handle the X's and O's in the SEC. That will determine his future but just like Miles, he can address that with his staff. What was Trent's biggest issue, not X and O but hiring a staff that could recruit this area.
If nothing else, he knows landscape and will recruit.
Was it the best LSU could have hired? No, you should be able to attract a sitting coach at a bigger school but the LSU job is not that attractive right now and what big name coach wants to come into the shadow of the football program.
The key for this hire is how well Jones can handle the X's and O's in the SEC. That will determine his future but just like Miles, he can address that with his staff. What was Trent's biggest issue, not X and O but hiring a staff that could recruit this area.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:17 am to Broham
I think that's expecting way too much. No offense to Johnny Jones but I'm not sure he's the caliber of coach to have us in the discussion for the final four/E8 almost every year and national title hunt every few years. I do think he could turn us into what Dale Brown had for a while where we made the tournament every year and maybe make a final four once in a blue moon. We just aren't a caliber of program like a UK/KU/Duke/UNC...
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:17 am to Broham
succeed like Miles? sure hope so.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:18 am to Broham
Les has won a NC and played for another in a relatively short period of time. It will be difficult for Jones to match that kind of success IMO. I can see LSU making tournament runs in the future but also having off years.. In other words, Jones is more likely to emulate our current baseball program then football.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:20 am to Jay Quest
With much less expectations...IMO
Bring some excitement back to PMAC and win some games and he has job security for life.
An occassional run to the Sweet 16 or better would be gravy
Bring some excitement back to PMAC and win some games and he has job security for life.
An occassional run to the Sweet 16 or better would be gravy
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:20 am to Broham
It's actually a pretty good comparison that I didn't consider, as long as you account for the inherent discrepancy in resources.
I'm hoping he'll be a Bruce Pearl type figure, spending his energy on building the excitement and recruiting. Except without the sanctions.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Johnny at a couple football games early on in the season.
I'm hoping he'll be a Bruce Pearl type figure, spending his energy on building the excitement and recruiting. Except without the sanctions.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Johnny at a couple football games early on in the season.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:20 am to thunderbird1100
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I think that's expecting way too much. No offense to Johnny Jones but I'm not sure he's the caliber of coach to have us in the discussion for the final four/E8 almost every year and national title hunt every few years. I do think he could turn us into what Dale Brown had for a while where we made the tournament every year and maybe make a final four once in a blue moon. We just aren't a caliber of program like a UK/KU/Duke/UNC...
Honestly it is tough for any program to be final four type teams every year... there are over 300 D1 basketball teams rather than the 114 in football.
I think if he is constantly sending teams to the tournament and competing for the SEC title each year he is on that level.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:23 am to Broham
no.
1. LSU football was already at a high point when Miles took over. Saban won the natty and ran off to Miami.
2. LSU basketball is an afterthought in national D-1 ball.
If Johnny Jones gets to the 2nd round in the NCAA's
it would be seen as a wonderful thing. 3rd round would be reason for celebration.
3. Louisiana high school football is premier. Louisiana high school basketball is nothing special.
4. LSU football is on the short list of MOST hs football kids east of the rockies and south of the Ohio river . LSU basketball is not on any rivals 5 star out of state hs players lists.
1. LSU football was already at a high point when Miles took over. Saban won the natty and ran off to Miami.
2. LSU basketball is an afterthought in national D-1 ball.
If Johnny Jones gets to the 2nd round in the NCAA's
it would be seen as a wonderful thing. 3rd round would be reason for celebration.
3. Louisiana high school football is premier. Louisiana high school basketball is nothing special.
4. LSU football is on the short list of MOST hs football kids east of the rockies and south of the Ohio river . LSU basketball is not on any rivals 5 star out of state hs players lists.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 11:25 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:24 am to Broham
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Can Johnny Jones be the next Les Miles??
Only if he dyes his thinning hair orange.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:25 am to SouthOfSouth
You have to look at landscape of college basketball too
With one and dones, certain programs can live off that and be strong enough to recruit those guys year in/year out like UK, KU, UNC
LSU cannot thrive under the one and done scenario right now and may never be able to attract those players consistently. the good thing is that outside of UK no one else in the SEC can do it either
With one and dones, certain programs can live off that and be strong enough to recruit those guys year in/year out like UK, KU, UNC
LSU cannot thrive under the one and done scenario right now and may never be able to attract those players consistently. the good thing is that outside of UK no one else in the SEC can do it either
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:26 am to bulldogger
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Only if he dyes his thinning hair orange.
Miles went to a hair dresser before his two interviews on ESPN.
Its now brown and ordinary looking. I suspect he did the orange version himself.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:28 am to SouthOfSouth
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I think if he is constantly sending teams to the tournament and competing for the SEC title each year he is on that level.
low expectations.
you dont even mention actually winning any basketball games in the NCAA.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:41 am to Broham
only if he learns to speak "Miles" and eat grass. But PMAC does not have any grass on the court!!
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:50 am to Broham
No because Trent Johnson wasn't the next Nick Saban.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:59 am to Shalimar Sid
I hope not
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:34 pm to Broham
no
Posted on 6/20/12 at 2:01 pm to Broham
I hope so.
I love LSU sports, and when everyone is back home for Christmas break and there is nothing to do in BR, it'll be awesome if the PMAC was rocking.
I love LSU sports, and when everyone is back home for Christmas break and there is nothing to do in BR, it'll be awesome if the PMAC was rocking.
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