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re: Burrow's every throw and run from 1st half of 2018 season
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:07 am to Damone
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:07 am to Damone
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We are in agreement that OSU's offense is light years better than what LSU has been running. I've always said Burrow would undoubtedly be putting up better numbers on another team
I tired to have a rational discussion; should've known better than to feed the trolls.
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:08 am to TigerLunatik
Why do you keep acting like I didn't post statistics? Did you not see my post?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
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you and I both know there is a set of posters that cant stand seeing anything that doesnt point to O being one of the best coaches in cfb and his time at LSU as amazing.
Honestly, I think only Jeaux and the Pensacola alters out there are the ones that act this way. Posters like Ben, Roger and Fort Cut have all said that this is the year or put O on the hot seat and all 3 of then are very rational with me even when we disagree.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:19 am to Rickdaddy4188
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and get put in,"above reproach" status.
That's stupid, no one has done this. You're just paranoid
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:23 am to bfniii
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Why do you keep acting like I didn't post statistics? Did you not see my post?
Keep acting? Can you tell me how often I've done that to you because I can't recall one time other than this morning.
I wasn't even insinuating that you didn't post statistics. You listed that passing touchdowns is an irrelevant stat and then used different stats to validate your points.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:24 am to The First Cut
quote:
tired to have a rational discussion;
Yep, all of these threads lead to the same place, with the same people, saying the same things.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:26 am to Damone
quote:I never said this isn't the case
can't just be a straight up comparison
quote:it's just one part of the comparison. It's objectively true that burrow played against better defenses yet, he essentially equaled Haskins in longer completions. Burrow is unquestionably a better runner. As far as the short-to-intermediate throws, I provided a quote from an analyst as to why Haskins had a better percentage - scheme.
Now it has to be broken down into DOWNFIELD passing.
quote:debatable
otherwise it isn't a conversation whatsoever.
quote:SOME. Not all. And there is an explanation as to why, part of which is out of Burrow's hands.
Haskins' stats unfortunately blow Burrow's out of the water
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:28 am to TigerLunatik
quote:it was just one part of the comparison.
it seems like the downfield throwing ability was singled out as a seperate comparison of the players.
For some reason, a couple of people are ignoring quotes from analysts discussing haskins' flaws
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:31 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:still wrong. Also, funny that you are dismissing how the stats are actually generated - by watching the games
his untrained eye watching TV broadcast was his proof
quote:why do you think the draft position is the definitive authority on which players are better?
why didnt Burrow have a draftable grade last year?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:34 am to Rickdaddy4188
Still at I see.
Never ever concede tard.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:35 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:i said this specifically in regards to passing td's. And i'm right. Calling for a pass play instead of a run play in the red zone, not on the QB. Hitting the target downfield, that's on the QB.
the production of other QBs arent of their own making
quote:I never said that
the lack of Burrow's production falls on everyone else's shoulders?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:37 am to TigerLunatik
quote:which is correct. Even the quote from the analyst agrees with what I'm saying
You listed that passing touchdowns is an irrelevant stat
quote:tell me what I said that's incorrect in a factual way without emojis
then used different stats to validate your points.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:43 am to bfniii
Again, I'm not saying your stats are wrong. I'm saying you dismissed a stat and then used other stats as your proof. IMO if you're gonna use stats then you have to use all of the stats and not just the ones that make your point looked good.
Did I post emojis in any of my previous replies to you? Only one I can't think of was the Kevin Malone laughing gif. I always use gifs as a way to communicate the tone of my post. The Kevin giggling gif isn't meant to laugh at your stats. It's more like a juvenile laugh because I think you were contradicting yourself.
quote:
without emojis
Did I post emojis in any of my previous replies to you? Only one I can't think of was the Kevin Malone laughing gif. I always use gifs as a way to communicate the tone of my post. The Kevin giggling gif isn't meant to laugh at your stats. It's more like a juvenile laugh because I think you were contradicting yourself.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:55 am to TigerLunatik
quote:with good reason right? I even provided a quote from a professional analyst that agreed with what I was saying. Since that's the case, there's no need to keep repeating this because it's not relevant
you dismissed a stat
quote:your previous comment said you don't necessarily disagree with the point so this comment is unnecessary, right?
then used other stats as your proof
quote:you're acting like I'm being selective. I factually noted two aspects of being a QB that burrow is better at than haskins. The response I got was "But but the draft" and emojis.
not just the ones that make your point looked good
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:58 am to The First Cut
The whole notion that Haskins's high draft spot was even primarily related to his offensive stats is absurd. The NFL combines don't look at his college stats. They don't look at the level of defenses he faced. (And obviously don't put a premium on facing SEC defenses, based on # of SEC QBs starting in the NFL.)They put the QBs through the wringer with mental and physical tests. Their college resume is one part of the evaluation, but combines, measurables, and interviews are bigger in the NFL's eyes.
Now, they do make mistakes in hindsight of course. It's not an exact science.
But, you morons showing Haskins shovel passes as a reason to believe Burrow is actually better than Haskins are, well, morons.
Now, they do make mistakes in hindsight of course. It's not an exact science.
But, you morons showing Haskins shovel passes as a reason to believe Burrow is actually better than Haskins are, well, morons.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:59 am to bfniii
quote:
with good reason right?
Not in my opinion. What is the reasoning behind not using the passing TD stat?
quote:
your previous comment said you don't necessarily disagree with the point so this comment is unnecessary, right?
I said that I wasn't accusing you of posting bogus stats. It's necessary because, as I keep saying, IMO you should all of the stats when making comparisons
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:05 am to bfniii
quote:
SOME. Not all.
Total stats for 2018-
Haskins: 50 TD passes, 8 INT, 4 rush TD, 4,831 passing yards, 70% completion
Burrow: 16 TD passes, 5 INT, 7 rush TD, 2,894 passing yards, 57.8% completion
Stats solely against top 15 S&P+ defenses-
Haskins (4 games):13 TD passes, 1 INT, 1,174 passing yards, 62.5% completion
Burrow (5 games): 1 TD pass, 2 INT, 902 passing yards, 49.6 % completion
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:05 am to TigerLunatik
quote:you want me to repeat it for a 3rd time? You don't already know?
What is the reasoning behind not using the passing TD stat?
quote:tell me what stats I'm overlooking and why they're relevant. If your going to refer to passing td's, I've already addressed that. If you can refer to the short-to-intermediate throws, I've already provided a quote from an analyst on that. Of course, I shouldn't have to provide a quote. It should be common sense
you should all of the stats when making comparisons
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:11 am to bfniii
quote:
you want me to repeat it for a 3rd time? You don't already know?
Honestly, I don't remember.
quote:
tell me what stats I'm overlooking and why they're relevant.
The same one that I've referred to in every one of my responses on the subject, passing TDs. I'm just not someone who thinks that we should use all of the stats when comparing players and/or teams.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:13 am to Damone
Td passes are not totally in the qb's hands so I have no idea why you would use that as a measure to determine which quarterback is better.
Completion percentage is a bit misleading because Burrow's got better as the season went on. In the last four games, his percentage approached Haskins.
I noticed you didn't include rushing yards nor pressures
So looking at this wider view, I'm not seeing how Haskins is noticeably better. Running or throwing downfield, give me burrow every day of the week. Throwing behind the l.o.s. with a clean pocket, Haskins is more experienced.
quote:this is awesome. No doubt about it. However, it's an objective fact that burrow faced tougher defenses
4,831 passing yards,
quote:
1,174 passing yards
quote:so a negligible difference against the best defenses
902 passing yards
Completion percentage is a bit misleading because Burrow's got better as the season went on. In the last four games, his percentage approached Haskins.
I noticed you didn't include rushing yards nor pressures
So looking at this wider view, I'm not seeing how Haskins is noticeably better. Running or throwing downfield, give me burrow every day of the week. Throwing behind the l.o.s. with a clean pocket, Haskins is more experienced.
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