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re: Burrow in the RZ: 13 of 42, 31%, with 5 TDs and 3 INTs
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:it needs to be more than that though. They need to be more creative in the play calling
think explosive RBs will help in the RZ next year.
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:02 pm to slackster
How many total redzone plays did we run? 42 passes in 12 games doesn't seem like very many.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:08 pm to whitefoot
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How many total redzone plays did we run? 42 passes in 12 games doesn't seem like very many.
We ran the ball 123 times in the red zone. We passed it 42 times. Some of those rushes may include sacks.
That was in 60 total red zone trips.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:12 pm to lsufball19
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Etling also had Leonard Fournette and Derrius Guice in the redzone, which opened things up more for him.
I'm talking about how Etling performed in the red zone vs the rest of the field and how Burrow performed in the RZ vs the rest of the field.
Canada was getting more out of Etling in the RZ than he was the other 80 yards of the field. Ensminger found a way to get substantially less out of Burrow in the RZ than he did everywhere else.
That's an apples to apples comparison considering Etling had Guice inside and outside the red zone last year.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:12 pm to whitefoot
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How many total redzone plays did we run?
175 total plays in the redzone: 135 running plays, 42 passing plays. So a 24/76 split. Obviously, probably all teams will run more in the redzone than they pass, but that kind of split is likely not ideal.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:19 pm to lsufball19
We actually have a HB pass sprinkled in there in OT vs A&M, but that's not a Burrow throw so it's not included.
The numbers are even worse if you exclude the 7 OTs by the way.
The numbers are even worse if you exclude the 7 OTs by the way.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:21 pm to slackster
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Canada was getting more out of Etling in the RZ than he was the other 80 yards of the field. Ensminger found a way to get substantially less out of Burrow in the RZ than he did everywhere else.
That almost seems like a statistical anomaly. Most QBs numbers are worse in the redzone than the rest of the field. Kyler Murray, for instance, was 27-51 in the redzone (52.9%) and 233/326 on throws outside the redzone (71.5%)
Etling was 18/29 in the redzone last year (62.1%) and 147/246 outside the redzone (59.8%).
Burrow's deviation was obviously extreme, which is why I brought up the difference in what the two had around them and how defenses schemed our team comparatively.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:27 pm to lsufball19
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That almost seems like a statistical anomaly. Most QBs numbers are worse in the redzone than the rest of the field.
Most QBs are slightly less accurate, but their rating skyrockets.
Burrow’s plummets on both.
Dude is a 60% passer elsewhere and 31% in the red zone. That has nothing to do with Guice or the lack thereof.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:31 pm to slackster
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The numbers are even worse if you exclude the 7 OTs by the way.
OT 1: never got in the redzone
OT 2: 5 runs 1 pass (incomplete) inside redzone, Brossette scored TD
OT 3: no plays inside redzone, scored TD on first play
OT 4: 4 plays inside redzone after 17 yard gain on 1st, ran 3 straight times, kicked a FG
OT 5: ran 2 plays inside redzone, scored on pass from CEH
OT 6: ran 3 plays in redzone, 2 pass (complete for 17 yards) and 1 run, Burrow scored rushing TD
OT 7: ran 1 play inside redzone after 15 yard penalty, rushsing TD by Burrow
So in OT, we ran 15 plays inside the redzone in 5 trips. In those 5 trips, we scored a TD 4 times but Burrow only attempted 5 passes. So, yes, the numbers are a little better, but our scheme was essentially the same outside the halfback pass from CEH. Our problem has been, once we get inside the 7 or 8 yard line, we don't make teams respect the pass at all. We saw exactly that in OT 4 after getting to the 7 yard line on the first play.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:38 pm to slackster
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Dude is a 60% passer elsewhere and 31% in the red zone. That has nothing to do with Guice or the lack thereof.
The reason it makes a difference is we saw more stacked boxes with Guice and Fournette than we do with CEH and Brosette. When teams stack the box, that leaves more room to throw the ball. If they only need 7 guys inside the box to stop our running game, that means they can drop 4 guys into coverage instead of 2 or 3. And as you know, things only get tighter when you get inside the redzone. And if teams don't need to overcompensate for our average running game, then they can account for pass coverage more. As a team this year, we averaged 2.77 ypc in the RZ. Last year we averaged 3.09.
We haven't discussed this as much, but I also think having Cole Tracy being automatic made us get way too conservative once we got down there this year.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:42 pm to lsufball19
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The reason it makes a difference is we saw more stacked boxes with Guice and Fournette than we do with CEH and Brosette. When teams stack the box, that leaves more room to throw the ball.
I know that, but I'm telling you the Etling was better with Guice in the RZ than he was with Guice out of the RZ. If the personnel are the same, yet one scheme is getting more out the passing game in the RZ that elsewhere, while the other is getting substantially worse, you have to focus on the shitty scheme.
Conservative or not, we completed 31% of passes in the RZ. That's jaw droppingly bad.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:32 pm to lsufball19
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175 total plays in the redzone: 135 running plays, 42 passing plays. So a 24/76 split. Obviously, probably all teams will run more in the redzone than they pass, but that kind of split is likely not ideal.
Definitely not ideal. Our redzone offense was too reliant on being able to run the ball and we simply didn't have a good enough ground game.
I don't hate the offensive staff, but they were just too conservative at times for my liking. Did we ever run any roll outs where the QB has a run pass option? It seemed like it took us until the end of the season before we started using Moreau more in the RZ.
Hopefully they can figure out a way to be more creative down there next year and get more TDs, because our field goal game is surely not going to be as good next year.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:40 pm to slackster
what were stat last yr in RZ with Canada?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:44 pm to mikertheTIGER
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what were stat last yr in RZ with Canada?
Not trying to be a dick, but why does that matter? Last year's offense wasn't good enough either, so what's the point in comparing the two?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:59 pm to whitefoot
Well red zone offense was singled out as one thing Ensminger did better than Canada when he was hired
Canada was a Td% of 58.93% which was 80th in the country.
This year we are 119th in the country with a 51.67 TD %
Canada was a Td% of 58.93% which was 80th in the country.
This year we are 119th in the country with a 51.67 TD %
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:42 pm to SammyTiger
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Well red zone offense was singled out as one thing Ensminger did better than Canada when he was hired
I don't remember those posts. What was the basis of these claims, when we didn't even know what kind of offense E would run? His 2016 interim stint?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:00 pm to slackster
Play calling in the red zone has been abysmal all year. It’s not all Joe’s fault.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:05 pm to slackster
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Whatever we're doing here, we need to blow it up.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:24 pm to slackster
Ok
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:26 pm to slackster
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But they did force things. He threw 3 red zone INTs on 42 attempts, but 3 INTs everywhere else on 337 attempts. Having Cole Tracy doesn't explain why the red zone passing was so abysmal.
The lack of a consistent run game and dominant O Line play was a big problem. Once the field compressed on this team, they struggled. I think that lead to a lot of pressing in the passing game, once again, with a more compressed field.
Better backs and O Line play will help, but play calling has to inprove, and Burrow does too. He doesn’t get a full pass. He made a really bad read yesterday cost us 7.
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