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Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:01 pm to tgr4ever
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Number of Days without a negative Burrow post by
How is the truth negative? The only way to fix a problem is to admit that there is a problem. We left so many points on the field, and let teams stick around this year because of our red zone offense.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:07 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
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How is the truth negative? The only way to fix a problem is to admit that there is a problem. We left so many points on the field, and let teams stick around this year because of our red zone offense.
I'm not even being critical of Burrow - I'm pointing out that whatever we were doing with him was SIGNIFICANTLY better for 80 yards on the field, and when the field got smaller, we torpedoed his chances of being successful.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:08 pm to slackster
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Burrow in the RZ - 13/42, 31%, 91 yards, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 74.15 passer rating
So if my math is correct, out of 60 total trips to the redzone, Burrow only has 42 total pass attempts. In other words, he averages fewer than one pass attempt per redzone trip. I think we can reasonably surmise that a pretty substantial percentage of those pass plays in the RZ came on 3rd or 4th down. Complete lack of creativity in the RZ. We did not have the power running game we had in the past, but we didn't adjust our scheme in the RZ to compensate for that. It was generally, run twice up the middle, pass on 3rd down, Cole Tracy FG. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I put this more on the coaches not putting Burrow in a good position to succeed in the RZ.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:10 pm to Winston Cup
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he's also really bad on third downs
I was just thinking yesterday how clutch he was on 3rd. I know he was the same way @Aub.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:10 pm to slackster
Good post. I knew it was bad, but had no idea it was that bad. 
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:10 pm to slackster
I think Burrow is too tentative in the RZ.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:11 pm to slackster
I hope I’m wrong but I fear SE doesn’t have the ability to fix this.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:11 pm to lsufball19
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that I put this more on the coaches not putting Burrow in a good position to succeed in the RZ.
I think this i s the likely point of this thread, and it's a good one.
SammyTiger posted some numbers just from the UCF game that were eye opening to me:
quote:
Our offense was absolutely amazing in how it complete stalled inside the 10
TDs of 22, 49, 33, 32
5 trips iside the redzone
FG, Pick 6, FG, FG, FG
After getting the ball to he
6, 15, 5, 3, 9 yard lines
Just unreal.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:12 pm to lsufball19
Factors in the red zone that can be improved.
Play Calling - its such a compressed field you have different play selection
QB cant stare down receivers
Got to get the ball out quicker
Have to run the ball successfully
Play Calling - its such a compressed field you have different play selection
QB cant stare down receivers
Got to get the ball out quicker
Have to run the ball successfully
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:14 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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I was just thinking yesterday how clutch he was on 3rd. I know he was the same way @Aub.
Burrow on third down:
Overall: 50/96 for 550 yards, 3 TDs, 3 INTs
3rd and 1-3: 3/9 for 21 yards
3rd and 4-6: 17/29 for 143 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT
3rd and 7-9: 12/23 for 193 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
3rd and 10+: 18/35 for 193 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
So honestly, looking at these numbers, he's not awful unless we have 3rd and less than 4, which is pretty odd.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:15 pm to lsufball19
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So honestly, looking at these numbers, he's not awful unless we have 3rd and less than 4, which is pretty odd.
I'd be curious how many of those went downfield knowing we might go on 4th or were well within FG range.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:25 pm to slackster
And yet some imbeciles think he is a candidate for the Heisman.
Of course, a lot of his failures should be attributable to the play calling.
Of course, a lot of his failures should be attributable to the play calling.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think Burrow is too tentative in the RZ.
Maybe. It's really difficult to put a finger on it that doesn't come back to scheme. There is a large enough sample size that you can't put it on drops or stuff like that, because those happen everywhere.
We absolutely have to get better in the red zone.
For comparison purposes, Etling was MORE accurate in the red zone and had a substantially higher passer rating, while Burrow was far less accurate and had a much worse passer rating.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:31 pm to slackster
Stats sometimes tells a story. We need to have an emphasis on scoring TD's in RZ going into next year, we were our own worst enemy for sure.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:41 pm to slackster
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For comparison purposes, Etling was MORE accurate in the red zone and had a substantially higher passer rating, while Burrow was far less accurate and had a much worse passer rating.
Etling also had Leonard Fournette and Derrius Guice in the redzone, which opened things up more for him. Teams didn't really have to use as many guys to stop our running game this year. Our basic scheme was essentially the same...we tried to just pound it in once we got down there. Big difference is our OL wasn't as good and our running backs couldn't make something out of nothing like Fournette and Guice, so teams didn't have to stack the box to stop our run game.
For comparison sake, our redzone TD rate was only marginally better last year with Etling. We converted TDs 33 times in 56 trips to the redzone (58.93%). Like Burrow, Etling only had 29 passing attempts in 56 trips to the redzone, so he also had fewer than 1 attempt per trip.
To me, it's clearly a matter of scheme. We should be converting about 2/3 of our redzone attempts to TDs, not half.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:48 pm to slackster
That is fricking pitiful. No other way to spin it.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:54 pm to slackster
Jefferson did drop a TD pass.
And young WR’s prolly has something to do with this.
And young WR’s prolly has something to do with this.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:59 pm to slackster
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We absolutely have to get better in the red zone.
I think explosive RBs will help in the RZ next year.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
definitely can’t hurt but they can’t run through walls.
I hipe We get a little more creative in the redzone.
Throw a little more, spread teams out instead of just going to big sets.
I hipe We get a little more creative in the redzone.
Throw a little more, spread teams out instead of just going to big sets.
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