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re: Burrow & SEC QBs drop rate vs NFL's - CFB Film Room Debunked
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:39 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:39 am to SammyTiger
“ winning 10 games”
The expectations for LSU football have certainly changed in the last few years. Before, winning 10 games was good, but nothing special. Now, winning 10 games is special and even “great” in the minds of some.
Before, winning the west was the only thing that mattered in the minds of many. Now, winning the West shouldn’t even be a consideration as long as Nick remains at Bama. No one can beat Bama.
Winning 10 games when you play in the SEC West is a good achievement. It’s always been a good achievement. LSU and Coach O did good, but doing good three years after a coaching change doesn’t exactly send off rockets in my mind, but each to our own.
Next year will be vital to LSU football LSU football success.
The expectations for LSU football have certainly changed in the last few years. Before, winning 10 games was good, but nothing special. Now, winning 10 games is special and even “great” in the minds of some.
Before, winning the west was the only thing that mattered in the minds of many. Now, winning the West shouldn’t even be a consideration as long as Nick remains at Bama. No one can beat Bama.
Winning 10 games when you play in the SEC West is a good achievement. It’s always been a good achievement. LSU and Coach O did good, but doing good three years after a coaching change doesn’t exactly send off rockets in my mind, but each to our own.
Next year will be vital to LSU football LSU football success.
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:29 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
Before, winning the west was the only thing that mattered in the minds of many. Now, winning the West shouldn’t even be a consideration as long as Nick remains at Bama. No one can beat Bama.
I think Dabo pulled the curtain back on the "Gump Wizard". He's now officially beatable.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:43 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Before, winning the west was the only thing that mattered in the minds of many. Now, winning the West shouldn’t even be a consideration as long as Nick remains at Bama. No one can beat Bama.
I think Dabo pulled the curtain back on the "Gump Wizard". He's now officially beatable
This is correct. LSU is putting itself in position to compete with bama in the west. I don't imagine how people can't see that. They still rant and rave about coaches O and E
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:44 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
The expectations for LSU football have certainly changed in the last few years. Before, winning 10 games was good, but nothing special. Now, winning 10 games is special and even “great” in the minds of some. Before, winning the west was the only thing that mattered in the minds of many. Now, winning the West shouldn’t even be a consideration as long as Nick remains at Bama. No one can beat Bama. Winning 10 games when you play in the SEC West is a good achievement. It’s always been a good achievement. LSU and Coach O did good, but doing good three years after a coaching change doesn’t exactly send off rockets in my mind, but each to our own. Next year will be vital to LSU football LSU football success.
I think each year has to be looked at separately. Depending on personnel and circumstances expectations change. We did not have the personnel (offense especially) to be an elite team. The schedule was supposed to be brutal, but we found Miami and Auburn to be mediocre. 10 wins for 2018 is a very good season IMO. We actually could have won the A&M game and even UF if the ball bounced in our favor, but could easily have lost Auburn.
10 wins for 2019 I believe will be a big disappointment because we have a really good mix of elite young talent and experience with very few areas of weakness.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:15 pm to bencoleman
“ I don’t imagine how people can’t see that”
Perhaps 63-10, 39-0 in TS in the last 3 yrs disturbs their vision.
Perhaps 63-10, 39-0 in TS in the last 3 yrs disturbs their vision.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:19 pm to bencoleman
Because we’ve lost by increasingly larger increments the last 3 years we’ve played them.
We’ve recruited top 5 classes before. We’ve recruited 5 star RBs before.
People rant about E because we’ve seen that a bad offense isn’t going to beat Bama.
Like do you think we’re following Dabo’s Blueprint?
We’ve recruited top 5 classes before. We’ve recruited 5 star RBs before.
People rant about E because we’ve seen that a bad offense isn’t going to beat Bama.
Like do you think we’re following Dabo’s Blueprint?
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:22 pm to BayouCowboy
quote:Orgeron inherited top 5 talent
We did not have the personnel (offense especially) to be an elite team.
Miles- Orgeron
7
2
5
2
6
4.4 avg
Compared to Saban - Miles
2
21
3
4
14 (13 commits)
8.8 avg
quote:The cards fell right to get the #6 ranking, and not really a better season than 2012 with 10/6 reg season wins.
I think each year has to be looked at separately. Depending on personnel and circumstances expectations change. 10 wins for 2018 is a very good season IMO.
As you say, 2019 should need no excuses
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:25 pm to BayouCowboy
People keep saying “we didn’t have the personel” but we went out and beat UGA. And it wasn’t just out acheme if them. CEH ran like a man, we blocked well, threw good passes.
Like we actually showed a pulse.
Do that vs Texas A&M and Florida and were a fricking 11-1 teams
“ we scored 72 vs A-&M” and only 24 on offense in regulations
Like we actually showed a pulse.
Do that vs Texas A&M and Florida and were a fricking 11-1 teams
“ we scored 72 vs A-&M” and only 24 on offense in regulations
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:33 pm to BayouCowboy
“ expectations change”
I don’t recall any change in expectation taking place for LSU to win the west. Well, until recently that is.
“ Big disappointment”
On that we can agree.
I don’t recall any change in expectation taking place for LSU to win the west. Well, until recently that is.
“ Big disappointment”
On that we can agree.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:59 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
“ expectations change” I don’t recall any change in expectation taking place for LSU to win the west. Well, until recently that is. “ Big disappointment” On that we can agree.
What were the 2018 expectations for LSU by the national experts? I know for a fact that even some of O's biggest critics said that 9 wins for 2018 would be a good season and 10 would be very good. The point is that I doubt there were many fans or analysts that looked at our 2018 team and said "this team is going to make a serious run at the SECC."
Me personally, I'm happy with the season as a whole, but the Bama game was an embarrassment and SE needs to do a 180 on how he called that game. I've posted on that multiple times. A&M was an infuriating loss because of the circumstances and both the D and O had chances to put the game away.
2019 I absolutely EXPECT us to challenge for the SECC and a CFP and unless we get hit with catastrophic injuries I will put the blame on the staff because we have the right mix of players this year.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:28 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
“ I don’t imagine how people can’t see that”
Perhaps 63-10, 39-0 in TS in the last 3 yrs disturbs their vision
Then maybe they should start looking to the future.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:36 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Because we’ve lost by increasingly larger increments the last 3 years we’ve played them.
We’ve recruited top 5 classes before. We’ve recruited 5 star RBs before.
People rant about E because we’ve seen that a bad offense isn’t going to beat Bama.
Like do you think we’re following Dabo’s Blueprint
Sammy, it's not my job or anyone else's to get you to be optimistic and to feel good about LSU'S future moving forward. That's a you problem if you refuse to see what problems LSU faced on offense this past season. Maybe if you and others were more honest with yourselves about the reasons for those shortcomings instead of the E and O suck so bad LSU deserves better bullshite you'd have a better idea of what LSU has to do and what they're in the process of doing to be more competitive and win the west.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:45 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
The pro numbers are a percentage of all passes. The college numbers are a percentage of all incompletions.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:51 pm to bencoleman
I think We have a lot of issues with the offense but E was one of them.
It also isn’t an issue we can fix through recruiting.
You need both Players and coaches to win, and we learned that the hard way for the past decade.
It also isn’t an issue we can fix through recruiting.
You need both Players and coaches to win, and we learned that the hard way for the past decade.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:57 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
It also isn’t an issue we can fix through recruiting
This is false.
In order for this to be true an offense would have to be fundamentally flawed beyond use. While the offense definitely needs work it's not a complete failure. If you get your pieces in place and you still fail then yes but there's nobody but the most delusional nega here that would claim that this offense had the right personnel in place this past season.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:42 pm to bencoleman
Every scheme will look better with better talent. But this isn’t about being better than last year, this is about being the absolute best we can be.
You refuse to accept the idea that talent and scheme were an issue.
If you have a big enough talent gap there is nothing stopping you from running toss dive every play. But we can’t rely on talent alone.
some schemes are better than others.
There is a reason we fired Les, and Cam and and Stud and Crowton.
There is more than just balanceing your passing and running.
Look at Baylor and FAU running that Veer and Shoot. Very rarely were they the most talented team on the field. At FAU almost never. And they fricked people up. Not everyone, but a lot of people.
I dont think E has secretly been the best OC in the country. I dont Think he’s the best we could get at all, and I think We could do better going into next year.
You refuse to accept the idea that talent and scheme were an issue.
If you have a big enough talent gap there is nothing stopping you from running toss dive every play. But we can’t rely on talent alone.
some schemes are better than others.
There is a reason we fired Les, and Cam and and Stud and Crowton.
There is more than just balanceing your passing and running.
Look at Baylor and FAU running that Veer and Shoot. Very rarely were they the most talented team on the field. At FAU almost never. And they fricked people up. Not everyone, but a lot of people.
I dont think E has secretly been the best OC in the country. I dont Think he’s the best we could get at all, and I think We could do better going into next year.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:51 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
Next year will be vital to LSU football LSU football success.
And how many times have we heard this
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:57 pm to BayouCowboy
quote:
10 wins for 2019 I believe will be a big disappointment
Why do you believe that?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:06 pm to CanIPlay636
I’ll put it this way,
Losing 3 games would be pretty disappointing
We lost 3 in
2012
2013
2015
2018
To go go 9-4 10-3 10-3 when we fired a HC for going 10-3 10-3 8-5 9-3 feels like we aren’t improving.
I want To see that next step.
If we can’t do that with what we’re returning we gotta make a change somewhere.
Losing 3 games would be pretty disappointing
We lost 3 in
2012
2013
2015
2018
To go go 9-4 10-3 10-3 when we fired a HC for going 10-3 10-3 8-5 9-3 feels like we aren’t improving.
I want To see that next step.
If we can’t do that with what we’re returning we gotta make a change somewhere.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:11 pm to tigerMike
quote:That would be great if there were experienced scorekeepers and stat guys logging this stuff. but that is absolutely not the case.
The pro numbers are a percentage of all passes. The college numbers are a percentage of all incompletions.
These are random volunteers. If they made their raw data available for review, that would be a step in the ght direction. But as it stands, these numbers are totally unverified opinions of rank amateurs (at best).
And I don't believe the CFB numbers that make Burrow look good any more than the ones that make him look bad.
Buckeyes saw the ridiculous "drop stats" that made Parris Campbell out to be a total bust at WR... yet Campbell is the #2 WR in both Walter Football and Mel Kiper's 2019 mock draft.
Sorry. CFB is a nice concept, but their stats have been shown to be grossly unreliable.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 5:13 pm
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