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re: Bruce Feldman with high praise of Miles
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:28 pm to Camp Randall
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:28 pm to Camp Randall
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Yea right. You'll just have to slightly change your argument.
Not sure what you mean. Miles has had great seasons, and he has had bad seasons, by LSU standards. I dont really know what to expect.
I am hoping after this year I can say the last 3 years were just a fluke, mainly because of bad QB play and poor assistant coaching hires. I would love to say that after this year. I am praying this year goes off without any hitches, because we will be playing in SECCG if so.
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Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:30 pm to drexyl
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maybe you don't fall into this category but some who insinuate that Miles is sone high functioning ruh-tard that has lucked into winning 80% of his games in this division/conference do not have a firm grasp on reality.
I dont think he is a retarded. But as a game day manager he has lacked in some phases. His attention to detail isn't on par with other coaching greats.
I spelled it out earlier, and gave him a lot of credit for a bunch of other things: recruiting, fixing bad coaching hires, motivating, and likeability, to name a few.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:35 pm to Lester Earl
quote:even if it wasn't I'd take him over a coach like Brian Kelly who's supposed to be very detail oriented.
His attention to detail isn't on par with other coaching greats.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:51 pm to Lester Earl
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drexyl, answer me this:
LSU is playing this imaginary schedule. We are playing Tulane, Vanderbilt, Southeastern, and McNese St 4 straight 4 weeks. We win all 4 games, but each game comes down to a FG late in the game to put LSU over the top.
How do you feel after these games:
A)cause for worry down the road
b)no worries, a win is a win. That is all that matters.
Answer me this.
LSU is playing this imaginary schedule. Northwestern, Alabama Birmingham, Louisiana Monroe, and Utah 4 straight weeks. We lose every game, but each is close.
How do feel after these games:
A)cause for worry down the road
B)it's all about the process.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:07 pm to Lester Earl
The Miles/Saban debate continues: Lester Earl, what is the standard you use to determine a good coach? Wins? Bowl games? Titles? Losses to an inferior opponent? Wins against ranked teams? National titles? Conference Titles? Loyalty to a school? Give me the standard and I'll bet arguments can be made in favor of Miles over Saban, and Saban over Miles. I guess it proves they are both successful coaches. But, if you want to give the standard, I'm sure the debate will continue.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:10 pm to beauxroux
attention to detail for a head coach is similar to yards per carry for running backs. it's the only attribute that matters and the only measuring stick by which they should be judged.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:19 pm to beauxroux
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he Miles/Saban debate continues: Lester Earl, what is the standard you use to determine a good coach? Wins? Bowl games? Titles? Losses to an inferior opponent? Wins against ranked teams? National titles? Conference Titles? Loyalty to a school? Give me the standard and I'll bet arguments can be made in favor of Miles over Saban, and Saban over Miles. I guess it proves they are both successful coaches. But, if you want to give the standard, I'm sure the debate will continue.
it's not all about stats. Stats can be misleading. Even wins and losses can be misleading.
If you watch football religiously like I do, you can weed the good from the bad. Or even the really good from the good.
There is no set standard.
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Give me the standard and I'll bet arguments can be made in favor of Miles over Saban, and Saban over Miles.
The biggest thing for me is the job Saban has done rebuilding not only LSU, but Alabama in such a short period of time.
If you want to throw out MNC's, the most important stat, Saban has 2, Miles has one. Which came when his team lost 2 games.
SEC championships? Miles has 1, Saban has 3.
What else do you deem important? I mean we can debate it if you want, but its hard to call Miles better than Saban.
Does Miles have a better win%? Maybe so. Saban inherited 2 programs that were not in good shape. They weren't elite over night.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:24 pm to mhasen1
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LSU is playing this imaginary schedule. Northwestern, Alabama Birmingham, Louisiana Monroe, and Utah 4 straight weeks. We lose every game, but each is close.
If Les Miles knew what it was like to rebuild a program(likely not capable of this to begin with), then make he could have a few of those notches under his belt.
And LOL at you for laughing about losing in a BCS bowl game. Pretty pathetic. We haven't played in one in 3 years. Alabama has been in 2 in the same period.
Got to love rantards that cant even show a hint of objectivity when discussing matters like this.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:38 pm to Lester Earl
he did a nice job at ok state and certainly deserves credit for getting the ball rolling on where they are at right now, even gundy will say that. recruiting picked up a lot under miles there.
difference is ok state is not an lsu or bama job so its not nearly as impressive. they didnt reach elite status at ok state but they had 3 good seasons on the heels of 4 losing seasons. i'll give him credit for that but of course it doesn't compare to saban's work at lsu and now at alabama especially considering both programs are elite.
difference is ok state is not an lsu or bama job so its not nearly as impressive. they didnt reach elite status at ok state but they had 3 good seasons on the heels of 4 losing seasons. i'll give him credit for that but of course it doesn't compare to saban's work at lsu and now at alabama especially considering both programs are elite.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:39 pm to Lester Earl
Lester Earl said- ahh, the UAB card.
Saban has never made stupid decisions to cost his teams games like Miles has vs Ole Miss and Tenn.
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Uh, excuse me but whem lsu had a commanding lead vs florida in 2002 matt mauck was still in the game in the 4th quarter...suffered and injury and was gone for the season.
I believe we were 6-1 at the time....we had a bunch of losses after that.
I also remember the gumps running 8 straight qb draws with "toller whaats" to go 90 yards right before the half and blow a close game wide open.
Saban is a great coach. One of the best in college football today. The guy is not perfect and has made plenty of mistakes. He is also apparently a douche as a person.
Les Miles doesn't have the same personna...his resume is close, but still a little short of saban. If he wins the nc this year, I think he firmly enters the conversation about best college football coaches.
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Saban has never made stupid decisions to cost his teams games like Miles has vs Ole Miss and Tenn.
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Uh, excuse me but whem lsu had a commanding lead vs florida in 2002 matt mauck was still in the game in the 4th quarter...suffered and injury and was gone for the season.
I believe we were 6-1 at the time....we had a bunch of losses after that.
I also remember the gumps running 8 straight qb draws with "toller whaats" to go 90 yards right before the half and blow a close game wide open.
Saban is a great coach. One of the best in college football today. The guy is not perfect and has made plenty of mistakes. He is also apparently a douche as a person.
Les Miles doesn't have the same personna...his resume is close, but still a little short of saban. If he wins the nc this year, I think he firmly enters the conversation about best college football coaches.
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Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:42 pm to Lester Earl
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If Les Miles knew what it was like to rebuild a program(likely not capable of this to begin with), then make he could have a few of those notches under his belt.
LOL. Both LSU and Alabama were ranked in the top 5 within the 18 months preceding the hiring of Saban. He didn't rebuild shite. He walked into 2 talent time bombs that were being coached by retards.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 5:51 pm to mhasen1
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He walked into 2 talent time bombs that were being coached by retards.
2 time bombs that just happened to not be uncovered in decades. The period in between LSU's success is obviously greater than Alabama's.
yeah sure,,, anyone could have done it.
You downplaying it is a joke.
BTW, LSU did not finished ranked in either of the 2 years before Saban was hired. Who cares if they were top 5 at one point. Those teams were bad.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 6:12 pm to Lester Earl
quote:to be fair you downplaying Miles head to head record vs Saban by passing it off as an act of God is pretty funny as well.
You downplaying it is a joke.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:16 pm to drexyl
I know it was late in the thread too, but I bring it up again....the guys saban is god point was when did his bad decisions lose games....
He left mauck in in a blowout, and screwed lsu's whole season in 2002.
Also ben wilkerson's career was ruined on the last play of a blowout game.
He left mauck in in a blowout, and screwed lsu's whole season in 2002.
Also ben wilkerson's career was ruined on the last play of a blowout game.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:05 pm to Lester Earl
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I am hoping after this year I can say the last 3 years were just a fluke
oh bullshite. no you dont. youd much rather we go 2-11 so you can come on here and say how smart you are. frick, even now youre just ignoring that last year we went 11-2 and trying to somehow lump that in with 8-5 from 3 years ago.
seriously, just go follow bama. you know you want to. or better yet, kill yourself.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:38 pm to drexyl
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to be fair you downplaying Miles head to head record vs Saban by passing it off as an act of God is pretty funny as well.
well, that is a cherry picked stat.
Les Miles has trouble beating Houston Nutt every time out and i believe is 3-3 against him. Does that mean Houston Nutt is as good as Les Miles?
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:43 pm to MastrShake
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oh bullshite. no you dont. youd much rather we go 2-11 so you can come on here and say how smart you are.
Whatever you want to think, guy. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I want LSU to win the title every year, regardless of the coaches. We have the talent to be in the run every year. But i take offense when the coaches do not give us the best chance to win, which has happened a lot over the last 3 years
Yes, even going 11-2, there was problems with that. We very easily could have lost 4-5 games, which is not comforting to me considering the two previous years went. You can choose to ignore it and just look at the record. I'm not looking to change your view on Miles; but it is right there on the wall looking back on the last 3 years.
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seriously, just go follow bama. you know you want to. or better yet, kill yourself.
lol i havent cheered for another college team in my life, ever. You are clueless and obviously have trouble handling others opinion. I wont spit any insults at you. Sorry
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:45 pm to Lester Earl
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I dont think he is a retarded. But as a game day manager he has lacked in some phases. His attention to detail isn't on par with other coaching greats.
I spelled it out earlier, and gave him a lot of credit for a bunch of other things: recruiting, fixing bad coaching hires, motivating, and
likeability, to name a few.
I agree. Actually all of that is fact. I think that he's had to learn some things the hard way, things most people shouldn't have had to learn. But he's not stupid. He's a people person. He's not a great x and o's guy but his coaching philosophy has won me over. His players play hard, aggressive, and have a swagger that most programs can't match. I wouldn't want another coach representing LSU, something I never thought I would say 5 years ago. He's our Bobby Bowden.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:00 pm to mhasen1
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Answer me this.
LSU is playing this imaginary schedule. Northwestern, Alabama Birmingham, Louisiana Monroe, and Utah 4 straight weeks. We lose every game, but each is close.
How do feel after these games:
A)cause for worry down the road
B)it's all about the process.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 12:53 am to Icansee4miles
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