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Brennan's pre-snap reads and progressions - a break down of one play
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:50 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:50 am
In this thread I'm going to break down one play from the spring game. I'm not trying to sum up Myles Brennan as a player in one play and I'm not saying he's good or bad. This is just an example of something I've seen on his "film" whether that be his high school highlights, him in the UAA game, in the spring game, or during last season vs various opponents.
Disclaimer: I'm not a football guru and I'll probably get something wrong
LSU lines up 3x1 in shotgun with this route combination:
Curl, post, spot, fade, and then the RB chips and runs into the flat
It's meant to be read that way, from left to right, with the RB being the 5th read.
The defense is running quarters match. The 4 DBs are each responsible for 1/4th of the defensive backfield and are taught to "match" where receivers line up and the routes they run so that there's no blown coverage. The 3 linebackers are responsible for zones 5-10 yards off the LOS where each has 1/3rd of the field:
Pre-snap, the QB should look at the defensive alignment and see which routes are most likely to be open. The #1 read will almost surely be open because the CB is playing so far off the ball and the safety has aligned himself to the #2 read, indicating that he is likely to be solely focused on this receiver.
The #2 read is slightly trickier to get right, but the QB can assume that with the defender's alignment, he's going to be playing him man-to-man. With a good route, some anticipation, and making sure the LB doesn't drop into the route, it should be a fairly routine throw.
The #3 read is a spot route to the middle which depends on the coverage the linebackers are in. If they drop too deep or too far apart, this route will be open. In this case, both the rover and mack linebacker pick it up rendering it an option but not a preferred one.
The #4 read is a basic 9-route. The CB is playing press. Because the safety is in the middle of the field, the assumption should be that this is man coverage with a cover-1 shell, cover 3/4 with a hard corner, or cover 6. With any of these coverages, the 9-route is viable. It all depends on how the deep safety reacts.
The #5 read is the last-resort. The RB blocks for a second and releases into the flat. Due to the timing of this route, it will almost always be open or at least viable.
With this, the QB knows that he has a 6 man initial protection (with the RB chipping). They should be easily able to pick up up to 5 rushers as long as there aren't any whiffs or poor blocks.
Brennan scans the field before the snap and looking left he sees Jamal Pettigrew, his #1 read, waving his arms presumably to tell Brennan that he's going to be open:
At the snap, the boundary linebacker drops and the field linebacker rushes, making this a 4 man rush, which should easily be picked up by the OL and the chipping RB:
Here's a gif of the play:
Brennan's first read:
Second read:
Third read:
Fourth read:
He steps forward to roll right:
Fifth read and throw:
If you look at the direction his head is pointing and where that receiver is, it's obvious that he's going through his progression far too quickly and not giving the routes any time to develop. He should know that he has adequate protection to make these reads. He finally rolled out so that he could see CEH leaking into the flat and tossed it to him as his last read.
Here's how the play had developed at the moment Brennan started to roll out:
I see Joe Burrow easily winning the QB competition, and I expect McMillan to transfer after being named the #2 QB. There are a ton more examples of Brennan going through his progressions very poorly like the play I've highlighted. Burrow is much more patient with his progression from what I've seen and has a lot more "pocket awareness"
Disclaimer: I'm not a football guru and I'll probably get something wrong
LSU lines up 3x1 in shotgun with this route combination:
Curl, post, spot, fade, and then the RB chips and runs into the flat
It's meant to be read that way, from left to right, with the RB being the 5th read.
The defense is running quarters match. The 4 DBs are each responsible for 1/4th of the defensive backfield and are taught to "match" where receivers line up and the routes they run so that there's no blown coverage. The 3 linebackers are responsible for zones 5-10 yards off the LOS where each has 1/3rd of the field:
Pre-snap, the QB should look at the defensive alignment and see which routes are most likely to be open. The #1 read will almost surely be open because the CB is playing so far off the ball and the safety has aligned himself to the #2 read, indicating that he is likely to be solely focused on this receiver.
The #2 read is slightly trickier to get right, but the QB can assume that with the defender's alignment, he's going to be playing him man-to-man. With a good route, some anticipation, and making sure the LB doesn't drop into the route, it should be a fairly routine throw.
The #3 read is a spot route to the middle which depends on the coverage the linebackers are in. If they drop too deep or too far apart, this route will be open. In this case, both the rover and mack linebacker pick it up rendering it an option but not a preferred one.
The #4 read is a basic 9-route. The CB is playing press. Because the safety is in the middle of the field, the assumption should be that this is man coverage with a cover-1 shell, cover 3/4 with a hard corner, or cover 6. With any of these coverages, the 9-route is viable. It all depends on how the deep safety reacts.
The #5 read is the last-resort. The RB blocks for a second and releases into the flat. Due to the timing of this route, it will almost always be open or at least viable.
With this, the QB knows that he has a 6 man initial protection (with the RB chipping). They should be easily able to pick up up to 5 rushers as long as there aren't any whiffs or poor blocks.
Brennan scans the field before the snap and looking left he sees Jamal Pettigrew, his #1 read, waving his arms presumably to tell Brennan that he's going to be open:
At the snap, the boundary linebacker drops and the field linebacker rushes, making this a 4 man rush, which should easily be picked up by the OL and the chipping RB:
Here's a gif of the play:
Brennan's first read:
Second read:
Third read:
Fourth read:
He steps forward to roll right:
Fifth read and throw:
If you look at the direction his head is pointing and where that receiver is, it's obvious that he's going through his progression far too quickly and not giving the routes any time to develop. He should know that he has adequate protection to make these reads. He finally rolled out so that he could see CEH leaking into the flat and tossed it to him as his last read.
Here's how the play had developed at the moment Brennan started to roll out:
I see Joe Burrow easily winning the QB competition, and I expect McMillan to transfer after being named the #2 QB. There are a ton more examples of Brennan going through his progressions very poorly like the play I've highlighted. Burrow is much more patient with his progression from what I've seen and has a lot more "pocket awareness"
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:05 am to rmnldr
As a lover of the game of football, I appreciate the work you put in to this. Great job.
I'm one of those nerds that will watch games (not just LSU games) 2 or 3 times after I've watched it live because I love analyzing all of the moving parts in each play. Love this kind of stuff.
ETA: That being said, I personally give a pass to all the QB's except for maybe McMillan most of the time (he seemed to be with the #1 Oline most of the time) on a lot of their poor plays because they were either under constant duress from the time of the snap or were so used to being under pressure that they didn't seem to know what to do with themselves when they actually did have time to go through their progressions like the play you've highlighted.
I agree that Burrow should win easily. Our young QB's just need more experience to be able to handle that kind of pressure.
I'm one of those nerds that will watch games (not just LSU games) 2 or 3 times after I've watched it live because I love analyzing all of the moving parts in each play. Love this kind of stuff.
ETA: That being said, I personally give a pass to all the QB's except for maybe McMillan most of the time (he seemed to be with the #1 Oline most of the time) on a lot of their poor plays because they were either under constant duress from the time of the snap or were so used to being under pressure that they didn't seem to know what to do with themselves when they actually did have time to go through their progressions like the play you've highlighted.
I agree that Burrow should win easily. Our young QB's just need more experience to be able to handle that kind of pressure.
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 3:21 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:09 am to Ripley
Thanks
This was my 5th or 6th time watching the spring game and I caught Pettigrew waving his arms and thought it would be neat to show off this play.
This was my 5th or 6th time watching the spring game and I caught Pettigrew waving his arms and thought it would be neat to show off this play.
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 3:10 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:26 am to rmnldr
Honestly it a bad route tree when you look at how the defenders are set up. The #1 read has no real chance with both defenders playing off 8 yds at the spot for the route. You’d love to see either the #1 or 2 read take it up the field to force the defenders to move and make a decision to have a real shot at a throw. If either of the defenders jump the flat route while the other protects deep that’s a pick 6. I don’t fault Brennan with not throwing that. If the DB was 10-12 yds off you probably make that throw.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:45 am to C
quote:
Honestly it a bad route tree when you look at how the defenders are set up. The #1 read has no real chance with both defenders playing off 8 yds at the spot for the route. You’d love to see either the #1 or 2 read take it up the field to force the defenders to move and make a decision to have a real shot at a throw.
The curl was wide open because the CB was playing off so much. How is that bad? Both the curl and post routes faked going vertically enough to make both DBs turn. It was done perfectly by both Davis and Pettigrew.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 4:12 am to rmnldr
The #1 CB didn’t turn. He continued back once the QB looked off to help in case the play to the right broke. I agree you could have made the throw but it wasn’t wide open.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 4:26 am to C
thanks for the work
I agree about Joe
He should be named starter soon after camp opens
I agree about Joe
He should be named starter soon after camp opens
Posted on 7/14/18 at 5:04 am to rmnldr
quote:The combo sync is off IMO. The curl could've been driven a few yds deeper to turn corner, plus give the bend route by 18 a bit more time to clear flat/LB and hit the seam.
The curl was wide open because the CB was playing off so much.
That said, I didn't make it to 3-mississippi from snap before the hot route was used either.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 6:47 am to rmnldr
I think it is amazing that a LSU QB is actually capable of and actually does make 5 reads in 4 seconds. Some people on here said Brennan will never make 5 reads.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 6:52 am to rmnldr
quote:
There are a ton more examples of Brennan going through his progressions very poorly like the play I've highlighted. Burrow is much more patient with his progression from what I've seen and has a lot more "pocket awareness"
Meh...that's a simple maturity issue most times that comes with reps. You learn to go they the reads (hard part) and with reps you mature and the game "slows down".
I would think on this play Pett was waving his arms for a different reason and Brennan didnt trust P for whatever reason (not sure of play, route, etc)
Great job on what you do! I'm sure Butrow, with 3 years of watching a top program with solid QBs, will read a bit slower.
There's a hot read on every play and pettigrew was that read. Defenses work hard to hide the hot read or disguise a read as hot, then change or jump the route. Not sure who the ch was on that play, but maybe Brennan knows he likes to disguise soft coverage jump routes.
Pettigrew waving his arms saying hes one (your assumption) would scare a qb into thinking it's a trap. IMO
I live this kind of post. Great job and I'm sure you've seen way more film than I would want to, lol
Personally, i feel as though LDU was on the brink of picking a young stud like Brennan, going thru a year of growing pains possibly, but coming in next year with a developed qb from our program FINALLY, that would be set to light up the SEC.
I was angry with the Burrow move (timing) only because it destroys others development because let's be honest, reps will be hard to get in the fall now.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 7:19 am to rmnldr
Burrow is the starter because he wouldn't have come to LSU otherwise. O has to say there is a "competition" for the sake of the team, but there really isn't.
As a grad transfer, Burrow had his choice of essentially any school in the country. He wasn't going to a place to assume the same role he was in at OSU...backup QB
As a grad transfer, Burrow had his choice of essentially any school in the country. He wasn't going to a place to assume the same role he was in at OSU...backup QB
Posted on 7/14/18 at 7:43 am to Alt26
Great analysis. Thanks for posting it. I much more enjoy reading and debating technical football posts like this then the continual bashing of Coaches O and E that some have degenerated to!
Posted on 7/14/18 at 8:08 am to rmnldr
Really enjoyed this, thank you!
Posted on 7/14/18 at 8:11 am to Alt26
quote:
Burrow is the starter because he wouldn't have come to LSU otherwise. O has to say there is a "competition" for the sake of the team, but there really isn't.
As a grad transfer, Burrow had his choice of essentially any school in the country. He wasn't going to a place to assume the same role he was in at OSU...backup QB
So he doesnt have to perform? Your post is completely ignorant
Brennan had more schools wanting him out of high school as burrow did last year. That means nothing
Posted on 7/14/18 at 8:21 am to GeeOH
quote:
Meh...that's a simple maturity issue most times that comes with reps. You learn to go they the reads (hard part) and with reps you mature and the game "slows down".
I would think on this play Pett was waving his arms for a different reason and Brennan didnt trust P for whatever reason (not sure of play, route, etc)
I kige this.
I'd also be curious to see the previous plays in that series and the series before it. In addition to maturity, if the opposing defense had been pressuring him all game, he would start going through his reads more quickly.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:16 am to Cajun Catfish
If they said that they haven’t watched him play. He’s just not comfortable enough yet in the pocket but he also rarely had time and if 3 plays ya get creamed or close, the fourth probably gonna give ya happy feet. Brennan has great arm talent but needs to settle down a bit. He’s still very young
Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:21 am to GeeOH
quote:your question and response are idiotic. Have you seen any of Burrow's film? He's so far ahead of the other qbs there should be no doubt in your mind. Burrow will be as good as any qb we've had since Hodson.
So he doesnt have to perform? Your post is completely ignorant
Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:38 am to rmnldr
quote:
The curl was wide open because the CB was playing off so much. How is that bad? Both the curl and post routes faked going vertically enough to make both DBs turn. It was done perfectly by both Davis and Pettigrew.
A QB isn’t going to throw a curl across the field with a DB in his back pedal in 7 yds off coverage. There’s no route keeping that left CB honest to his zone which is why the route tree isnt great . Reads here should work the 9 route as read 1 and then back left to right. You’re right, the routes were run well but having a drag as your second read almost never works out. That route takes time. Plus reading the corner/LB on the single side will more times than not reveal the D. Just another opinion here. Not worth much. Seems a scheme issue with the reads to me.
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 9:40 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:46 am to rmnldr
Great Analysis. From looking at the play, Pettigrew (First Read) seemed to be the option he should have took. Pettigrew had separation and is a large target at 6’6-6’7.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:55 am to Cottonport
Also like that they used Pettigrew on the outside
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