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re: Breaking News: Jefferson threw 4 TDs and 9 INTs w/ 8 fumbles last regular season
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:23 pm to Geaux2002
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:23 pm to Geaux2002
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Furthermore, the offense will change to fit the QB. That is what we hope the coaches would do, but most of you JJ nuthuggers and Lee haters have simply just said, "He was a failure, and even though he improved, he's still crap and we are doomed".
It has absolutely nothing to do with this. I have problems with both quarterbacks, because they both suck it up pretty consistently. I simply found one to have some running capabilities, so I don't think this is necessarily a net positive for our team. Combined with the uncertainty at fullback, and it gives me a little more concern. We're better along the offensive line, even without Josh D, and Ware is the most talented rb we've had in a very very long time. So we shall see. I honestly hope Lee proves me completely wrong and kills it.
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:23 pm to Geaux2002
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JJ had 10 INTs and 8 fumbles last season with the coaches calling the game every way they could to minimize them. In 2008 Lee had 16 INTs with the offense being completely open and Crwoton acting like Lee was a 5th year senior.
I love facts. Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:24 pm to TruLsu
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But if he continues to be erratic, losing a running quarterback will only make us worse offensive, despite what the overall numbers may say yardage wise.
so improving the yardage per game on offense can be a bad thing because we don't have a running qb?
I think it could lead to more sacks, decreased rushing yardage because we'll be a more basic rushing team, and I don't know if the increased passing yardage will overcome that problem.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:24 pm to TheDoc
show me the fumbles stat in print and i'll add it. i dont want to have incorrect facts for the rantards.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:25 pm to Maximus
and another thing Max..JJ had honed his leadership skills under the guidance of new coaching. you know the new coaching that the offense has only needed for 3 seasons but Les would not bow to the pressure of making change, even though his offenses were not in the top 100. Les has said that he err err I mean the team was really responding to JJ.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:25 pm to Maximus
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Where did I say that it was the death of us? frick, no wonder you suck as a poster you can't read for shite. I simply said that we'll lose something without having a guy that can run, because at the end of the day Lee isn't exactly showing me he can light the world on fire passing the ball.
So how many more games do you see us losing without the awesome rushing threat of JJ?
I saw us as a 2 loss team with JJ, and I predict the same with Lee. Both circumstances could be more or less depending on factors unrelated.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:26 pm to Tiger Authority
Did you miss all the talk about how Les and Krags were gonna bring LSU back to a run and throw off of play-action team?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:27 pm to Choctaw
JJ is not being awarded the freedoms that were provided to us by our founding fathers, like George Jefferson.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:27 pm to Maximus
LSU had 13 lost fumbles last seasons. I've gone through every game last season and JJ had 8 fumbles. I can't claim they were all lost, but the number is legit for total fumbles. Just cause he was lucky enough to have a teammate recover it doesn't mean he didn't screw up.
I recall 3 alone in the Vandy game on the first 3 drives and those fumbles kill drives almost as much as INTs do in most cases.
I recall 3 alone in the Vandy game on the first 3 drives and those fumbles kill drives almost as much as INTs do in most cases.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:27 pm to Maximus
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Did you miss all the talk about how Les and Krags were gonna bring LSU back to a run and throw off of play-action team?
Which worries me about not having a proven fullback. We have the TE's for this type of attack though and I think it's our best option.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:28 pm to Geaux2002
i believe you. he had and INT and 2 fumbles in the spring game yet they credited one to the RB he screwed up the handoff with.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:28 pm to Geaux2002
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LSU had 13 lost fumbles last seasons. I've gone through every game last season and JJ had 8 fumbles. I can't claim they were all lost, but the number is legit for total fumbles. Just cause he was lucky enough to have a teammate recover it doesn't mean he didn't screw up.
I recall 3 alone in the Vandy game on the first 3 drives.
Really stretching the argument at this point. Show me the turnovers and not the "could have been" a turnover.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:29 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:JJ has always taken more sacks than lee the problem with lee is he gets over confident in his arm and tries to force things he shouldn't.
I think it could lead to more sacks, decreased rushing yardage because we'll be a more basic rushing team, and I don't know if the increased passing yardage will overcome that problem.
As far as rushing yardage, I'm happy our rbs who average 4 ypc (estimate) more than JJ will be getting more rushing attempts.
All in all, we will be fine, this team will rely on our d and running game to win games like the last two years. If for some reason our d folds we have a qb starting who can adequately throw the ball down the field, yes higher risk, but higher reward. Let's just hope lee has improved his field vision even more during the offseason, and if he has, this will be a special year.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:29 pm to Maximus
I only read the first page, and even though I can appreciate your optimism (and I'm sure it's actually more of a dig at Jefferson), we have ZERO mobility from the QB position w/o JJ.
Oregon's defensive game prep just became very focused, and easily controlled during the actual contest.
With all of JJ's limitations, he still made the defense play with 10 versus our 10, and now they will play with 11 versus our 10.
But I must admit, I LOL'ed.
Oregon's defensive game prep just became very focused, and easily controlled during the actual contest.
With all of JJ's limitations, he still made the defense play with 10 versus our 10, and now they will play with 11 versus our 10.
But I must admit, I LOL'ed.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:30 pm to Geaux2002
point's been made without the fumble stats. let it go.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:30 pm to kuntrykingpin318
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dude it is the fact that jj is not being treated fairly, in this whole mess. of course, i dont want him in at qb, but that dosent mean i want an lsu tiger to to get treated this way over a fight at a bar.
This!
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:30 pm to Tiger Authority
fumbles dont matter as long as the oddly shaped ball luckily bounces to someone on your team, right?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:31 pm to TruLsu
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JJ has always taken more sacks than lee the problem with lee is he gets over confident in his arm and tries to force things he shouldn't.
With more snaps.
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As far as rushing yardage, I'm happy our rbs who average 4 ypc (estimate) more than JJ will be getting more rushing attempts.
Well aren't sacks factored into his rushing statistics? bit of a misnomer in that regard.
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All in all, we will be fine, this team will rely on our d and running game to win games like the last two years. If for some reason our d folds we have a qb starting who can adequately throw the ball down the field, yes higher risk, but higher reward. Let's just hope lee has improved his field vision even more during the offseason, and if he has, this will be a special year.
I hope you're right.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:31 pm to Maximus
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fumbles dont matter as long as the oddly shaped ball luckily bounces to someone on your team, right?
Should we chalk up could be int's as well?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:32 pm to Maximus
so how long til you turn on Lee now that he's the starter for LSU?
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