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re: BR sports “LSU made that rise with the toughest schedule in college football
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:17 pm to Madking
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:17 pm to Madking
What happened after the boatload of NFL talent left?
So did his passing game.
Some argue it wasn't Cams offense, that Miles was actually in charge in 2014 and 2015.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:18 pm to Madking
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We’ve had other stacked offenses, talent wise, that haven’t even come close to that kindve production
Link?
That offense was more stacked than most squads at LSU, ever.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Link to what? Do you provide links to every statement you make? Don’t panic dude you don’t have to be so obvious. Yes we had a couple talented skill groups after 2013 but only one group of talented lineman and no QBs. You can have all the talent in the world with no trigger man and the passing game in that style of offense won’t produce. We’ve also had just as much talent as 2013 in 05 and 06, 07, 03 and 2011 recently but those offenses didn’t put up the historical numbers 2013 did and they had great QB play so I don’t know what you’re trying to argue. Cam Cameron’s resume is far superior to any of the guys you defend with your life and the only reason you’re attacking him is because he worked under Miles and not daddy. If you applied your standards equally you’d avoid 99% of the arguments you get into.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:29 pm to Mayhawman
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Odd keeping a OC that produced SEC record setting, and Top 5 offense at LSU is retarded, while keeping, make that rehiring, Ensminger after not even sniffing a Top LSU offense is genius.
all one has to do is look at what Ensminger did with Cameron offense as compared to what Cam did with Cams offense. Once Ensminger took over in 2016 LSU finished out the rest of the season averaging 464 ypg which is much higher than Cameron ever averaged in a season at LSU (even when cam had Mett, OBJ, Landry, and Hill and Turner he didn't average as much).
Yep, I got to go with O on this one. I can see the difference already, I bet even posters like you will be able to see it this coming season.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:29 pm to boxcar willie
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doing nothing to change things
The offense sure changed last year. It was worse than in 2015.
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looked like the program was about to completely crash. t
That hadn't happen in eleven years and why you would think it was going to suddenly happen in 2016 makes no sense.
Accepting seven defeats in two years and 3-6 against ranked teams shows a lowering of the goal post more than anything else.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:32 pm to LSU Groupee
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That hadn't happen in eleven years and why you would think it was going to suddenly happen in 2016 makes no sense. Accepting seven defeats in two years and 3-6 against ranked teams shows a lowering of the goal post more than anything else.
Well I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on that one. It should be obvious to even you in a few months.
I know you don't want to believe it, but you will.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:34 pm to boxcar willie
He didn’t change the offense in 2016 he just opened it up and did it against a string of god awful defenses too. We should all know the things Miles did to neuter Cams offenses which makes it easy to see why that same offense thrived once Miles was out of the way. Why did Ensmingers offense have such a drop once he wasn’t using Cams system and designs? Wouldn’t that paint a better picture of Steve’s offense than when he was using someone else’s offense?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:35 pm to Madking
Still won’t be enough to beat Bama this year.....
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:37 pm to Mayhawman
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Odd keeping a OC that produced SEC record setting,
we finished 6th in total offense in the SEC even with that "record setting" offense. Nothing to brag about.
Sure OBJ, Landry, HIll and Mett had great individual stats but as a team, not so great. That even magnifies the failure even more.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:40 pm to Burbee
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3 and 4 loss seasons.....same as Les Miles' bad years.
Yea, after Miles had control of the program for several years. Miles inherited a loaded team. He inherited a dynasty in the making. And it went downhill after 2011. Actually the downfall started after 2007. Or after he started getting conservative on offense and hired Stud to be the OC. That was a joke. That 2011 team had the talent, they just lacked a damn OC. Orgeron inherited a program going down, and he is working to bring it back up.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:43 pm to dukke v
I’m cautiously optimistic about it. From watching the formations and routes I’m the spring game it seems like Brady has brought a lot from the places he’s been but he isn’t the OC and we all know how much 0 likes to have his hands all over the offense. Even worse anyone who’s paid attentions has seen that as the games get bigger and more important the more he tightens up and goes into a shell. We’ll see what happens, I don’t blame people for being excited just like I don’t blame people for saying it’s the same old story about the offense. Nobody is correct until we see so I don’t know why there’s a daily fight over it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:44 pm to Madking
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Why did Ensmingers offense have such a drop once he wasn’t using Cams system and designs?
mainly because Canada ran it in 2017 and by 2018 the lack of recruiting on offense that Miles did his final few years here came to roost. MIles left the cupboard bare for the 2017 and especially 2018 seasons. Orgeron has fixed that for the 2019 season as his recruits have gained some experience and even you should be able to see the difference having some experienced SEC quality players with a talented OC can make.
But that is on you. Don't believe it if you want, who cares, you don't matter, I don't matter, the season will come and things will play out.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:45 pm to boxcar willie
“Sure OBJ, Landry, HIll and Mett had great individual stats but as a team, not so great. That even magnifies the failure even more.”
That “team” is a historical LSU and SEC offensive group. So I don’t know how you can say the team offense wasn’t “so great” or was a failure.
That “team” is a historical LSU and SEC offensive group. So I don’t know how you can say the team offense wasn’t “so great” or was a failure.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:45 pm to Tigers eyes
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Orgeron inherited a program going down, and he is working to bring it back up.
you nailed it there
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:46 pm to Madking
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he just opened it up
exactly the point
he OPENED IT UP!
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:48 pm to Madking
quote:TRUE
That “team” is a historical LSU and SEC offensive group
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o I don’t know how you can say the team offense wasn’t “so great” or was a failure.
you think finishing 6th in total offense (ie 'the whole teams offense not individual players) in the SEC when you have that group to work with is a success.
I call it a failure
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:48 pm to boxcar willie
This just isn’t true at all, Miles left the most combined draft picks in LSU history over Os first two seasons so this “cupboard was bare” theory is totally false. And Canada has far less talent to work with in the passing game than last season. Canada has 1 legitimate starting SEC WR and the same oline and TEs we had last season only younger and less experienced. Ensminger had 7-8 NFL level WRs last season but produced a less productive and efficient offense and passing attack. The things you’re saying are completely false and even sometimes the exact opposite of the truth. Why?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:50 pm to Burbee
He lost 5 and thinks the power I is the only offense he can win with!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:51 pm to boxcar willie
Total offense isn’t as important as yards per play, efficiency and scoring percentage. We had a weak defense that season so the offense wasn’t getting the ball near as much as usual. You’re being intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:51 pm to Madking
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Do you provide links to every statement you make?
Well, youre wrong here. I know you aren't going to find many LSU teams with more offensive talent than 2013. 2006 might be close.
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