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re: Black coaches in college football?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:13 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:13 pm to Mike da Tigah
So, because most of the players are black should white people quit coaching or lose jobs because they are white? If the majority of a company is white should you not hire a black CEO? Also, like someone said earlier in the thread you are required to have a masters degree to be hired as a coach so you can't exactly just hire anyone to be a assistant much less a head coach.
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Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:14 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Quick, without the use of google, name 7 top notch black college coordinators right now that you think are a good fit and ready to take the reigns at a place like LSU?
And because I can't name them (why seven btw?) does this mean they don't exist?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:19 pm to Cold Cous Cous
And wouldn't the fact there are only a few black co-ordinators also speak to the problems of hiring black coaches? Wouldn't a racist system also mean that minorities wouldn't be getting co-ordinator jobs as well?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:25 pm to deuce5000
Thank you, kjacksoup and deuce5000 for taking the time to make the necessary points. Racism may be minimal on the football field itself, but it was not too many decades ago when leadership didn't have faith in African-American quarterbacks to handle such a cerebral task, cf. Warren Moon. That is racism. The best man did win the job, but only after finding success in the CFL.
It takes time, but many would say that it is taking a long time.
It takes time, but many would say that it is taking a long time.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:29 pm to Cold Cous Cous
Ty Willingham is 0-11 right now, and his UW record is 11-36. Should Washington refuse to fire him because of him being black and we need more black coaches? Should MSU have refused Croom's resignation although he went 18-30 because he's black or because he wasn't ready?
Look, I don't care what the skin color of a coach's skin is. We currently have a black head coach in basketball, and I believe he will eventually have LSU doing very well, much better than his white predecessor, but not because of his skin color as much as he can't do any worse, and he was getting success at Stanford.
People don't want skin color, they want Ws, and whoever is there to give them Ws is who they want. This social engineering crap is freaking juvenile, and doesn't address the extreme lack of blacks in the coaching profession ready to make that jump, nor does it the number of whites who never get to make that jump. Not because of their skin, but because they aren't ready. Get one that is, and can lead LSU, and I say sign him up. Who cares? It's silly.
Look, I don't care what the skin color of a coach's skin is. We currently have a black head coach in basketball, and I believe he will eventually have LSU doing very well, much better than his white predecessor, but not because of his skin color as much as he can't do any worse, and he was getting success at Stanford.
People don't want skin color, they want Ws, and whoever is there to give them Ws is who they want. This social engineering crap is freaking juvenile, and doesn't address the extreme lack of blacks in the coaching profession ready to make that jump, nor does it the number of whites who never get to make that jump. Not because of their skin, but because they aren't ready. Get one that is, and can lead LSU, and I say sign him up. Who cares? It's silly.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:31 pm to sertorius
Why don't whites bitch about not enough white players in the NBA. Why because they are not good enough just like there are not enough black football coaches.so get a life its only a problems when suits the blacks.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:35 pm to BIG CAT
Damn, ain't y'all got no black friends? Some of you need some perspective, and others of us don't have the time.
What does it mean if most of the players are black but most of the coaches are white? Are they just good players but can't teach the game to others? Come on, man.
What does it mean if most of the players are black but most of the coaches are white? Are they just good players but can't teach the game to others? Come on, man.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:38 pm to sertorius
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Damn, ain't y'all got no black friends?
WOW
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:40 pm to Pleasenewdc
What about the Mexicans, Chinese, Indians? It will never end.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:41 pm to sertorius
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Damn, ain't y'all got no black friends? Some of you need some perspective, and others of us don't have the time.
Excuse me, but what does black friends have to do with black coaches? Is this developing into another one of those "I'm more open minded than you / see I'm not a racist" threads, because if it is, I don't have the time to play with the big blocks in the play room right now.
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What does it mean if most of the players are black but most of the coaches are white? Are they just good players but can't teach the game to others? Come on, man.
Name the black candidates and their resumes for consideration. I don't care if he's black, just don't come on here and make blanket statements to elevate your own sense of goodness with nothing to support the bias. I can't name but a couple black coordinators off the top of my head, and none that I think are sticking out to the point where they are considered the next great name up for a head coaching job. If you know of one that is a can't miss, or almost can't miss, then name him. If not, then all this thread is is fluffy feel good bullshite.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:43 pm to Mike da Tigah
Negro head coaches may do better with fellow negro players.
It's a socialization thing.
It's a socialization thing.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:45 pm to PiscesTiger
Well if that is the case will the white players not play as well for the black coaches?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:46 pm to PiscesTiger
I'm not a racist man. I just have no time for silly unfounded feel good crap that doesn't address the real problem, which is the blantant lack of position coaches and coordinators that have put themselves in the position to make that jump to the next level. Pelini didn't get the Nebraska job because he's white. He got it because of what he proved on the FOOTBALL FIELD in his abilities at LSU, Nebraska, and OU. That's how the world works. I wish there was a magic answer to satisfy all the world's problems but there just isn't. We work on a system called performance.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:46 pm to TigerNlc
Good question. I think every football team, honestly, would benefit from co-head coaches - one negro and one white.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
I notice you didn't even attempt to answer my questions. Instead, you throw out this gem of a straw man/non-sequitur:
My point is not that anybody should go out and purposefully hire crappy black coaches just because they're black. My point is that 2/119 is an startingly low ratio, considering what percentage of football players are black. More than anything, I'm just curious as to why.
quote:Link to where I suggested this? I think Willingham was, at his prime, a mediocre coach who got lucky a couple years at Stanford. And he's long past his prime. Croom was a pretty mediocre coach too, but he never really had a chance. Starkville is a deathtrap for anybody's coaching career, especially coming off sanctions like he was.
Ty Willingham is 0-11 right now, and his UW record is 11-36. Should Washington refuse to fire him because of him being black and we need more black coaches?
My point is not that anybody should go out and purposefully hire crappy black coaches just because they're black. My point is that 2/119 is an startingly low ratio, considering what percentage of football players are black. More than anything, I'm just curious as to why.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:47 pm to Pleasenewdc
Obama isnt black.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
Hey, I hear your point, and I wish we could talk extensively in person. For now, let's agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 11/29/08 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:52 pm to sertorius
I hate the fact that something is only racist if it happens to black people. The fact that want coaches to be interviewed just because they are black and not because they are successful is racist. The next month will be hell having to hear how there will be two less black head coaches in CFB. How about they win some games and then they won't have to worry about black coaches getting fired. There are plenty white coaches getting fired and I don't care about them, why should I care about the two black coaches?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:54 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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My point is not that anybody should go out and purposefully hire crappy black coaches just because they're black. My point is that 2/119 is an startingly low ratio, considering what percentage of football players are black. More than anything, I'm just curious as to why.
We've already been told what the WHY is. It's because of racism, what else. It's always racism. Everything's racism these days. It I suppose has nothing to do with the fact that there just aren't many in the profession with which to pick from, and statistics will say that that number will be reflected in the percentage that make the jump, which is already low as it is, no matter what their skin color is.
I keep hearing this same old crap every year, and the one thing people who keep crying about this fail miserably to illustrate is just what CAN'T MISS Rising Star who is black is being passed over continually because of his skin color?
Earlier I asked for 7 stud black coordinators ready to make the jump. I will reduce it to 3. Give me 3 black coordinators that are can't miss head coaching candidates you would consider for a place like LSU for example.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:57 pm to Cold Cous Cous
quote:What is the percentage?
considering what percentage of football players are black.
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