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re: BH "still just a true sophomore QB"

Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:16 am to
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:16 am to
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Why is it that Clemson can get this kind of production very early from highly recruited QBs ... and at LSU, the party line seems to be that we need to protect young QBs from mistakes and such and not unleash them? Heck ...Watson ... "only a SOPH" (written a lot of times on this board recently)...is being mentioned in the Heisman conversation.

Maybe a better question would be: If Clemson's so good at developing QBs and whatnot, why do they never compete for national championships?

IDK. Maybe there's more to the story than you're letting on?

LSU > Clemson. For a reason. I don't want LSU to be like Clemson.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:18 am to
Also, to me, this argument is just the wrong argument to have. Harris is developing at a decent pace. He's capable of running more of the offense than last year for sure. I'm sure he needs to continue to develop.

But, that doesn't explain what we saw on Saturday. That wasn't a reasonable game plan for where Harris currently is from a development standpoint. That was over the top conservative. We don't need to go crazy throwing the ball. We do need to be semi-balanced. If we did that, and Harris played well, we'd see an LSU offense that would be every bit as good as the spread offenses across the country without the defensive negatives that come with having a spread offense.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:18 am to
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I was specifically trying to compare Clemson/LSU and Watson/Harris.



Which we're all saying is fricking stupid because the systems are drastically different and competition is different.

Clemsons system is much easier to run for a young inexperienced QB and they play ahittier competition (especially on defense).
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:23 am to
I've never heard commentators reinforce a player (regardless of position) being a "true" sophomore more than during our game with Mississippi State - they said it - almost every time they did color commentary about Harris.

It was beyond the "Herman Johnson was the largest baby ever born in Louisiana" kind of thing. Not sure why it irked me.
Posted by Lionnation1993
Member since Nov 2013
6103 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:24 am to
Our offense next year will be nothing short of amazing to watch
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:27 am to
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It was beyond the "Herman Johnson was the largest baby ever born in Louisiana" kind of thing. Not sure why it irked me.


Because it is unnecessary? It used to just be that people said true freshmen, redshirt [class], or [class]. The only qualifier needed for players that weren't freshment was redshirt. Now people obsess with calling people "true" whatevers. Since the redshirt is basically dead at major programs, I'm not sure why the change.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
92623 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:36 am to
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Because it is unnecessary? It used to just be that people said true freshmen, redshirt [class], or [class]. The only qualifier needed for players that weren't freshment was redshirt.


You're probably right - I think that making distinctions between true freshmen, redshirt freshmen and 5th year seniors are the only meaningful distinctions.

It is probably because he is a quarterback, and everything has to be hyperanalyzed. But, still...
Posted by jyoung1
Lafayette
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:16 am to
Watson doesn't have Leonard Fournette on his team.
Posted by minvielle
Youngsville, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:53 am to
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(Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:09 am to sjmabry)
quote:

Harris played well last night


What planet are you from?
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
30287 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:56 am to
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No matter how we try to explain the differences in pro-style and spread offenses, some folks just don't want to comprehend. LSU should sling the ball all around the field because that's what the majority of fans see on Saturdays.


I don't need to see TCU or Baylor.

I think most of us would simply settle for a pass every now and then on 1st or 2nd down ... maybe a little play action now and then.


Right now, no opponent defense has to do much guessing as to what will happen on 1st or 2nd down.



If we're not going to pass and simply pretend we have some bad-arse pro-style offense ... we need to just get Ken Niumatololo or Paul Johnson to come in so we can dominate via the triple option. Works for Navy.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
30287 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:03 pm to
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why do they never compete for national championships?


They will probably shite the bed like usual ... but, given that Louisville may not be as strong as predicted, ND lost Zaire for the season, and FSU is vulnerable ... this is probably the best chance they'll have to make some noise.


quote:

SU > Clemson. For a reason. I don't want LSU to be like Clemson.


I never said that. Nothing close to it. I didn't even infer it.


But, since you brought it up ... unless you don't remember, we let fricking Clemson beat us in a bowl game a few years ago. I haven't been able to forget because I get reminded all the damn time.


Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
30287 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Our offense next year will be nothing short of amazing to watch


OK ... I'll bite: based on what?
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3118 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:11 pm to
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the announcers hinted at this the other night

Harris HS offense was nothing like LSUs offense, so the learning curve was much higher


I thought Jarvis Landry said it best awhile back when he said that going from the SEC to the NFL, while challenging, was MUCH easier when compared to going from Lutcher High School to the SEC. I know we play freshman, and it helps with recruiting, but it is very challenging to play and play at a high level as a true freshman in the SEC.

I know Brandon Harris personally. He is a GREAT kid, very intelligent, hard worker, and just needed time. He plays by far the toughest position on the field, and being the starting QB at a school like LSU is a BIG task. I was VERY impressed at how he looked Saturday night. Forget the stats, to me he looked confident, at ease, poised, and ready to do whatever it took to lead us to victory. I thought he threw some absolute dimes when he did throw, and his legs extended some drives for us as well.

I cannot wait to see what Coach Cameron can do with him and continue his climb to greatness!
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Lionnation1993
Member since Nov 2013
6103 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:11 pm to
Harris having a full year under him, buga being a junior, Dupre being a junior, Diarse being a junior, Quinn, and then Guice and Brosette having a year in
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
30287 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:22 pm to
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buga being a junior



You don't think he's gone after this year?
Posted by Lionnation1993
Member since Nov 2013
6103 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:24 pm to
Sophomore this year bro can't
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59614 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:57 pm to
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You don't think he's gone after this year?

Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 1:21 pm to
Wall Street Journal article on the lack of QB development at the college level. It's a good read LINK
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 1:29 pm to
Bruce Arians on the spread and lack of QB development.

LINK
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
30287 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 1:33 pm to
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Sophomore this year bro can't



Guess I haven't kept track of those rules.


If a kid redshirts ... then can he leave after SOPH year?
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