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Baseball: New bats broken down
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:37 pm
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This new protocol – Ball-Bat Coefficient of Restitution (BBCOR) – is a complex formula designed to ensure that composite bats perform more like wooden bats by measuring the how much energy is lost at the point of contact. That is, it measures the “liveliness” of the bat. Consider the moment of contact between a wooden bat and a pitched ball. When the two collide, the solid wooden bat can cause the softer ball to compress up to one-third of its original size. The bat absorbs the ball’s subsequently lost energy, so the ball travels slower and shorter after contact. The composite bats used by college players, however, have thin walls that give at contact and compress the ball less. With less compression, the ball retains more of its original kinetic energy and travels faster and farther than it would off the surface of a wooden counterpart. Slept through Physics 101? Think of it as jumping up and down on a wooden floor, as opposed to a trampoline. With less energy, you can jump far higher on a trampoline, which gives with your weight to conserve your energy. The old bats were like a bouncy trampoline, but the new BBCOR-approved bats are like the thick floors of the unused dining room at your grandparents’ house.
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Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:45 pm to Stewie Griffin
mylsuhat dislikes this
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:47 pm to Stewie Griffin
FWIW, I am glad that this is happening, and am looking forward to seeing the change. This will only help college baseball get more respect from people out there who aren't fans yet, but who don't give even give it a real chance because of lame jokes about the ping! sound.
College baseball is a wonderful growing sport, and it's about to get bigger. I will bet that 9 out of 12 SEC programs will have more baseball attendance than basketball attendance within 10-15 years. The only major conference that hasn't really gotten on board is the Big Ten, but even they are making strides in places like Minnesota, Illinois, & Ohio State.
College baseball is a wonderful growing sport, and it's about to get bigger. I will bet that 9 out of 12 SEC programs will have more baseball attendance than basketball attendance within 10-15 years. The only major conference that hasn't really gotten on board is the Big Ten, but even they are making strides in places like Minnesota, Illinois, & Ohio State.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:55 pm to Stewie Griffin
And just as a side note, it has long been my contention that lightweight aluminum bats have a bigger relative impact on outgoing velocity and distance the worse the hit--i.e., that lightweight bats really don't increase the scale of "monster" home runs by very much, if at all.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:58 pm to Doc Fenton
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This will only help college baseball get more respect from people out there who aren't fans yet
I would have to disagree. I don't think less homeruns will bring non-fans or casual fans to college baseball.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:01 pm to Doc Fenton
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FWIW, I am glad that this is happening, and am looking forward to seeing the change
Doc, I agree with you. I think we are in the minority though. If the new bats perform like wood I am fine with it. If they are less "lively" than wood, I will have a problem with it.
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This will only help college baseball get more respect from people out there who aren't fans yet, but who don't give even give it a real chance because of lame jokes about the ping! sound.
Correct IMO. I don't know if you've heard the new bats yet, but the sound is very different from the old familiar "ping".
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College baseball is a wonderful growing sport, and it's about to get bigger.
Again, we are in the minority here. Most of my friends are pissed that we are gonna see less offense and runs scored and they think that the games will be less entertaining. Mainieri has even said this. I agree with you that the games will likely be more like MLB games. Again however, if the new bats are less lively than wood, I will not be pleased. We will see soon enough.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:02 pm to Kim Jong Ir
I talked to an NCAA official, and their main reason for doing this is to "protect the integrity of the game" with a better balance of offense/defense.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:02 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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If they are less "lively" than wood, I will have a problem with it.
Yep. This is the main thing to worry about.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:03 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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If the new bats perform like wood I am fine with it. If they are less "lively" than wood, I will have a problem with it.
Having both hit with one of these bats and seen the players hit with them and looked into the science, they are almost exactly the same as wood bats.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:05 pm to Doc Fenton
FWIW most people want to see a higher scoring game rather than a 1-0 pitchers duel
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:07 pm to Doc Fenton
i understand and overall like the change to a less trampoline-like bat. what i dont understand is why they are still using metal/aluminum whatever it is. all of these guys have played in wood-bat leagues. make the switch.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:09 pm to Stewie Griffin
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I talked to an NCAA official, and their main reason for doing this is to "protect the integrity of the game" with a better balance of offense/defense.
The more authenticity you can give college baseball as a natural stepping stone to the MLB, the better.
The minor league system will always be able to do end-runs around college baseball for a significant % of new prospects, but anything you can possibly do to keep that number as low as possible benefits the college game.
Keep getting as many players like Clemens & Bonds & McGwire & Ventura & Belle & Clark & Palmeiro as possible.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:10 pm to Stewie Griffin
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If the new bats perform like wood I am fine with it. If they are less "lively" than wood, I will have a problem with it.
Having both hit with one of these bats and seen the players hit with them and looked into the science, they are almost exactly the same as wood bats.
Then that is a good thing IMO. We've all heard the arguments why the NCAA should/can't use wood bats (expense, supply, yada yada), but surely most of us agree that wood bats would be best. If technology can imitate the characteristics and performance of wood, then how is this a bad thing? As Doc said, it will give more credibility to college baseball.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:12 pm to mylsuhat
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FWIW most people want to see a higher scoring game rather than a 1-0 pitchers duel
I agree with you. But the fans will adapt and come to appreciate the game.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:12 pm to KingofthePoint
Even worse, they have now required the High Schools in Alabama to go to BBCOR bats next season, and I received an email from Dixie Youth Baseball last week stating they would no longer allow composite barrel bats on DYB play. Evidently there was such an uproar DYB came back 3 days later and retracted the ban on composite barrel bats for this season and will re-evaluate it for 2012. The $300 Easton Surge I bought my son to use this season in preparation for trying out for the HS Freshman team next year will not be allowed when he has the opportunity next year.
I have no problem if the governing bodies want to increase safety and use the BBCOR rating system, but the evaluation and adoption process from DYB all the way to college has been a train wreck. They need to decide, and give a 12-24 month phase in period so everyone can understand and plan for it.
I have no problem if the governing bodies want to increase safety and use the BBCOR rating system, but the evaluation and adoption process from DYB all the way to college has been a train wreck. They need to decide, and give a 12-24 month phase in period so everyone can understand and plan for it.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:12 pm to Doc Fenton
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The more authenticity you can give college baseball as a natural stepping stone to the MLB, the better.
Absolutely true IMO.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:13 pm to mylsuhat
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FWIW most people want to see a higher scoring game rather than a 1-0 pitchers duel
Maybe, but with baseball I think the business model relies more on (A) the quality of the ballpark experience & (B) the opportunity to see future MLers, more than any concerns about HRs and runs per game dropping a little bit.
I don't think the fans who love to go to revered ballparks at LSU, Arkie, SCAR, Ole Miss, or Miss. State are going to stop going because of a little less pop in the bat. You'll still have a place to let your kids play on the playground setup in foul territory for a couple of hours while watching some great baseball getting played.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:16 pm to Doc Fenton
It will hurt the sport...chicks (and dudes) dig the long ball...
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:18 pm to DeltaDoc
Nonsense. Chicks dig the fastball...
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:26 pm to Doc Fenton
Why did they get away from using wooden bats?
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