re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000

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I don't know. But normal people wait until the terms are released before freaking out about a buyout in which they have no idea what it will be.

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Right. I don't think many are freaking out about the buyout. The reaction you're seeing in this thread is a reaction to the OP suggesting that his buyout should be significantly higher.

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The reaction you're seeing in this thread is a reaction to the OP suggesting that his buyout should be significantly higher.

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I may be wrong, but I think what he was trying to do was show how small it is currently compared to what other schools are dealing with and even an increased buyout would probably only put us in the middle of the pack in the SEC. I'm not pushing for an increased buyout necessarily, just trying to put some perspective on what I believe would warrant dismay and what wouldn't. I think it is reasonable to give him more security than he currently has. In no way would I support LSU giving him a contract like Malzahn's at Auburn. Auburn jumped the gun and gave him that contract after beating Alabama. A month later they were left holding their dicks wondering wtf they just did. At least we waited for the season to play out before having that discussion with Orgeron.

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A&M is absolutely stupid and I do think this will blow up in their faces

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Well, they ended their seven game skid against us. Most Aggie fans probably think it is panning out very nicely.

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Look what Kiffins making. There are 2 G5 Hcs making over 2.5 million and they’re both considered to be offensive geniuses, and one got hired away from a P5 school.

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I'm not saying he would or wouldn't walk away, I just believe in paying a guy what I think is justified. There are a multitude of different reasons we are told as to why ADs give extensions when they do. Much of it is not able to be substantiated by us as lay people and fans. But as long as LSU doesn't get insane and defy what seems to be fairly common businesses practices, I don't think we as fans have a lot of room to say whether a contract is good or bad. None of us have any experience with negotiating contracts for football coaches. All we can see is what other athletic departments have done in similar situations and what other coaches around the country are paid. Basically we are only provided with the information that is made publicly available. But I have to think if most of the ADs around the country are operating a certain way that there has to be a reason as to why. We would just be guessing as to what all those reasons entail and much of it is by reading articles written by other lay people and their opinions. Whether that be the recruiting angle, agents, leverage, etc. Honestly, the only thing that we can deduce is when contracts are so far beyond the norm that it will cause a reaction as to why that decision was made. I just don't believe paying Orgeron an average salary for his job with a reasonable buyout based on the years remaining on his contract does that for me. If LSU gets crazy and gives him a 5 year extension with a 25 million dollar buyout, then yeah my head will roll with the rest of the lot.

These ADs make bad deals all the time.

I have No experience negoatiating HC contracts but who thinks Sumlin’s deal was good? Who thinks Gus’s deal is good for Auburn?

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5 year extension with a 25 million dollar buyout, then yeah my head will roll with the rest of the lot.

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Even if he stays at the same pay level, it would be 5 years with a 17.5 million dollar buyout. I'm thinking more like 4 million with a 2o million buyout.

The NegaTigers will of course go ballistic, but the rest of the world will be just fine.

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maybe because despite your claims that South Carlolina football has a legion of fans, expectations are simply higher at LSU than at Missouri and South Carolina.

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And I have never said otherwise. I actually went out of my way to say they don't have the same expectations. But you responded with this type of statement all the same. What I did say was Muschamp has not met their expectations, their expectations being less than what LSU's are.

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funny that you think LSU football was irrelevant prior to 2000. I

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Didn;t say that either. I said LSU pre 2000 did not have the same expectations they do now. That is a true statement. We have had more success post 2000 than any other era in LSU football history. That is also a true statement. Expectations can change. That is also a true statement. Do you think Clemson expected to compete for national titles prior to the last 5 years? Do you think they do now? Would you agree their expectations are greater now than they once were? (that is a rhetorical question)

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I'm guessing you were born some time in the 90s

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In fact, I was not.

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have no awareness that LSU football was a pretty solid tier II team throughout the 60s 70s and 80s.

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I am very aware. But, again, LSU's expectations in the 60s, 70s and 80s were less than they are now. If they were the same, Charlie Mac wouldn't have coached at LSU as long as he did.

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you dont become the 12th winningest program of all time from just going on like a 10 year stretch of winning.

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Is it that you just like to make strawman arguments or are you just incapable of reading?

If he was as good as average, maybe he would have a better contract. He doesn’t want to let next season play out because he knows that losses to TAMU and UF with the annual Bama loss will immediately get his arse on the hot seat to scolding if they lay another goose egg at Bama.

Can you imagine how bad it must suck to all of a sudden accept 10-3 as an awesome season because yaw yaw yaw yaw yaw

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Best is yet to come imo.

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ban bet?