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re: Article on Les Miles "mistreatment of Lee"

Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:41 pm to
Posted by airbornetiger
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:41 pm to
How so?

Perhaps playing JJ was to get him up to game speed. After all he did miss the first half of the season.

And perhaps JL is/was having academic issues...so relying on him instead of JJ would be foolish since the bowl games are AFTER the semester ends.

And perhaps putting JL in the SECCG to take a knee was CLM's way of motivating JL to focus on school (if that is an issue). It's CLM saying, "JL, get your shite together, or taking a knee with 5 seconds left will be your lasting memory of LSU football."

But in the end LET THE COACH COACH
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:42 pm to
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jj basically did this vs uga, and continued. the ints were dropped


Then, they were not ints...right.

Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7876 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

You don't know any better BC you probably didn't graduate high school, much less college but you see when someone finishes college they what is called graduation ceremony.
Its usually a big deal for most people.
Family and friends get to come and watch, its good stuff.



The masters that I have is working really well for me!!
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16173 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:46 pm to
personally I highly disagree with the statement that Lee and Jefferson are mediocre QB's. Both would be starters on 90% of college football teams. To have both is a luxery few college teams have the luxery of having.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:57 pm to
This thread is too big for me to know what you're asking me, but I will say this--in the biggest game on LSU's schedule this year, Miles went in pretending to believe in one game plan, when in reality he did not believe in it at all. Thus, he went into the biggest game of the fall half-hearted, because he was too scared to take the heat from the fans to do what he really wanted to do all along, which is to start JJ.

Thus, Lee throws an INT on 3rd and long on a bad snap that maybe costs LSU only 20 or 30 yards of field position, and he is subsequently replaced as a starter while Coach Miles implements a TOTALLY NEW offensive scheme right in the middle of the biggest game of the year.

As you might expect, it didn't work out well. Yes, the Tigers won, but I think that 6-6 in regulation clearly demonstrates it as an example of what not to do on offense.

Did JJ look good? Yes. Does JJ looking good make up for only having 90 yards and 3 points in the 2nd half? Hell no.

Look, I don't mind a coach making honest mistakes, or a player trying his hardest and failing. I do have a problem with all this deceptive bullshite and politics interfering with actual game plans. Something about the whole situation stinks to high heavens.

Like I've said since July, I think we can win a NC solely with JL, and I think we can win a NC solely with JJ. I'm tired of this subject for now, and hopefully we can talk about this again after LSU wins the BCS NCG. Nonetheless, I think it's clear something really weird went on for the last 4 years, and I do want some answers. And although I don't feel "entitled" to answers on every internal matter, I definitely do think that Miles owes the fans more information regarding his thoughts on what happened at Shady's and what his requirements were for letting JJ back into games again. I am not satisfied with his lack of openness on that matter. Win or lose, there is a controversy, and no, it's not going away anytime soon, national championship or no national championship.
This post was edited on 12/11/11 at 7:02 pm
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42427 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 6:59 pm to
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Then, they were not ints...right.


This is like when TheDoc argued that recovered fumbles are the same thing as lost fumbles when JJ is in the game.
Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
15404 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:02 pm to
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Thus, Lee throws an INT on 3rd and long on a bad snap that maybe costs LSU only 20 or 30 yards of field position, and he is subsequently replaced as a starter while Coach Miles implements a TOTALLY NEW offensive scheme right in the middle of the biggest game of the year.


Lee went back in in the 3rd qtr and his first pass was picked and returned to the fricking 4.
Posted by zephyr22
Member since Nov 2009
394 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:04 pm to
The problem with the whole situation is CLM isn't being honest when he answers questions about Lee. After the Western Kentucky game he should have said Jefferson is now my starter and declined comments concerning Lee's playing time. He instead attempted to pacify the fan base with comments that lead you to believe that J. Lee will be contributing and is a vital part of the weekly game plan. Not an enviable situation to deal with. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHO PLAYS QB.
Posted by 5Alive
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Member since Jul 2009
7876 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

Thus, Lee throws an INT on 3rd and long on a bad snap that maybe costs LSU only 20 or 30 yards of field position, and he is subsequently replaced as a starter while Coach Miles implements a TOTALLY NEW offensive scheme right in the middle of the biggest game of the year.


Are u really gonna sit here and say that Miles is the cause of JL's failure? A good qb doesnt panic from a bad snap and throw it into triple coverage. There was nothing new about the scheme, we have run the option forever. Get a clue man!
Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
15404 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:07 pm to
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The problem with the whole situation is CLM isn't being honest when he answers questions about Lee. After the Western Kentucky game he should have said Jefferson is now my starter and declined comments concerning Lee's playing time. He instead attempted to pacify the fan base with comments that lead you to believe that J. Lee will be contributing and is a vital part of the weekly game plan. Not an enviable situation to deal with. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHO PLAYS QB.


Les has done this for 7 years. He answered Keiland question just like that for 2 years.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:10 pm to
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A good qb doesnt panic from a bad snap and throw it into triple coverage.


How about one that goes 5-13 for 30 yards in his next to last football game he will ever play in as SR?
Help me understand that one.
This post was edited on 12/11/11 at 7:11 pm
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:10 pm to
Lee should have never even went back in. He was no longer the team's starter anyway, and throwing him back in a game like that after an hour on the bench was a crazy thing to do.

People keep making fun of Lee's "fragile ego" and all that bullshite, but seriously, is there any QB in history who has done well in such a situation? Is there any QB in the NFL who would put up with such bullshite? No.

Even if you are a believer in a dual QB system, you never take out your main guy right after throwing an INT (in this case, letting him know that he's just been replaced as the starter after one bad play despite having started every game so far that year for the #1 team) and then leave him cold on the bench for an hour before putting him back in the game. That's crazy--absolutely fricking nuts. Nobody does that. Nobody.
This post was edited on 12/11/11 at 7:16 pm
Posted by zephyr22
Member since Nov 2009
394 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:12 pm to
[quote] He answered Keiland question just like that for 2 years.


Point taken!


Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16173 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:16 pm to
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I definitely do think that Miles owes the fans more information regarding his thoughts on what happened at Shady's and what his requirements were for letting JJ back into games again. I am not satisfied with his lack of openness on that matter. Win or lose, there is a controversy, and no, it's not going away anytime soon, national championship or no national championship.


Miles needs to apologize to the fans for his actions this season regardless of the outcome of this game. He has been snippy and snooty at times and this is uncalled for. Personally my feelings were very hurt and I love my feelings very much.
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7876 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:17 pm to
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How about one that goes 5-13 for 30 yards in his next to last football game he will ever play in as SR?
Help me understand that one.


One that does not turn the ball over compared to one that does! Help me understand that one.
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7876 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:20 pm to
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Lee should have never even went back in. He was no longer the team's starter anyway, and throwing him back in a game like that after an hour on the bench was a crazy thing to do.

People keep making fun of Lee's "fragile ego" and all that bullshite, but seriously, is there any QB in history who has done well in such a situation? Is there any QB in the NFL who would put up with such bullshite? No.

Even if you are a believer in a dual QB system, you never take out your main guy right after throwing an INT (in this case, letting him know that he's just been replaced as the starter after one bad play despite having started every game so far that year for the #1 team) and then leave him cold on the bench for an hour before putting him back in the game. That's crazy--absolutely fricking nuts. Nobody does that. Nobody.




Aww please dude he performed well when he had to come off the bench to relive JJ last year! Whats the difference? The guy nutted up just face it!
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:21 pm to
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The guy nutted up just face it!


I don't think this phrase means what you think it means.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:22 pm to
Gotcha.
SUperJJswagman giving props to uga defense... I would too if I were him.
prob went something like this "thanks fellas for forgetting how to catch.. only thing that could have made my day worse was you assholes catching those ints I threw right to you"
Peace.


Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7876 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

The guy nutted up just face it!



I don't think this phrase means what you think it means.



I said nutted up not grab his nuts! Let me put it this way for u then. His a-hole got real tight bro!!
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7876 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 7:52 pm to
JJ must have put some Gris Gris on the ball man!!!
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