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Are we prepping to go Spread/Option in the future?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:31 pm
I know I'll probably get raked over the coals, but does anyone else think it could be POSSIBLE that we are building up to go to the Spread/Option offense in the future? Here's my rationale. We've brought in an O-Line coach who works a zone blocking scheme. We've recruited dual threat QBs who ran the Spread/Option in HS. So why not make the change now?
I think the answer is in what we have for OL and RB (outside of LF and maybe DW). Our OL are big, physical road grader types who specialize in straight ahead blocking. To a slight lesser extent the same goes for our RBs. KH and TM aren't your slasher, cutback type runners. They are your power backs (ala Spencer Ware) who wait for a hole to develop and then run through it; happy to get 6-8 yards on those plays.
This is akin to just trying to jump from a 4-3 to a 3-4, or vice versa. You have to have the right players to do that. Changing schemes typically takes time for the coaches to bring in the right kind of athletes who can run the new scheme. What that means is you have a year or two until you have all the right parts in place to take full advantage. Look at what happened at Arkansas. They were awful last year, but now that Bielama (sp?) is getting the players he wants they are showing improvement.
Now fire away with the down votes, sunshine pumper, "you're a moron" comments, etc.
I think the answer is in what we have for OL and RB (outside of LF and maybe DW). Our OL are big, physical road grader types who specialize in straight ahead blocking. To a slight lesser extent the same goes for our RBs. KH and TM aren't your slasher, cutback type runners. They are your power backs (ala Spencer Ware) who wait for a hole to develop and then run through it; happy to get 6-8 yards on those plays.
This is akin to just trying to jump from a 4-3 to a 3-4, or vice versa. You have to have the right players to do that. Changing schemes typically takes time for the coaches to bring in the right kind of athletes who can run the new scheme. What that means is you have a year or two until you have all the right parts in place to take full advantage. Look at what happened at Arkansas. They were awful last year, but now that Bielama (sp?) is getting the players he wants they are showing improvement.
Now fire away with the down votes, sunshine pumper, "you're a moron" comments, etc.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:32 pm to FlyingTiger06
Should be doing it now.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:36 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Should be doing it now.
My theory is that we'd see bad results with that as well because we don't have the right OL to execute that properly. So which do you go with...scheme that is wrong for the players or players that are wrong for the scheme?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:37 pm to FlyingTiger06
Probably wishful thinking on your part but the problems with this team are much deeper than offensive schemes ...
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:40 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Should be doing it now.
Wouldn't change anything. Your qb can't read a simple run play, now you want to spread the field and give him more progressions and more if the field to read?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:42 pm to bdnc
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Probably wishful thinking on your part but the problems with this team are much deeper than offensive schemes ...
Wow an actual intelligent post by you sir. Guess it just took a couple if days for you to come back down.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:42 pm to bdnc
Players especially the rb must be very disciplined to continue to run where the play calls for. You would think they would say freak this crap running into middle with 8 or 9 men waiting on them , and cut it too the outside and make them catch em
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:44 pm to dgnx6
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Wouldn't change anything. Your qb can't read a simple run play, now you want to spread the field and give him more progressions and more if the field to read?
I know it is a much different talent level, but he was doing a great job of it in HS. Perhaps the change of scheme for him (under center in the I form vs Shotgun spread) is a detriment more than we know.
I know it may be a futile effort on my part, but just trying to see if there is any rational reason for what seems to be disconnects between the types of athletes and coaches we've brought in compared with the offensive scheme we're running right now.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:59 pm to FlyingTiger06
Get kragthorpe ready if this is the case neither of our first qbs will survive
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:03 pm to FlyingTiger06
That's what is in the secret playbook.
It is on the page right behind: toss dive, option to short side, toss dive, then punt.
It is on the page right behind: toss dive, option to short side, toss dive, then punt.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:06 pm to wal marks
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Get kragthorpe ready if this is the case neither of our first qbs will survive
Huh? I'm not advocating the switch take place this year. I'm just pointing out that the staff hires and skill position recruits point that we MAY be making that switch in the next year or so.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:08 pm to DthVllyDud
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That's what is in the secret playbook.
Ha! Perhaps you are correct.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:09 pm to dgnx6
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Wouldn't change anything. Your qb can't read a simple run play, now you want to spread the field and give him more progressions and more if the field to read?
Spread is typically more QB-friendly than asking them to run NFL offenses
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:12 pm to bmy
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Spread is typically more QB-friendly than asking them to run NFL offenses
Exactly. Probably a good reason that Nick Marshall (a converted DB) is having such success at AU and is a Heisman candidate. Also explains the success of guys like Tebow who excelled in the spread in college, but has no business lining up under center in the NFL.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:15 pm to FlyingTiger06
Aaron Rodgers is in the spread most of the time. Why not us?!
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:20 pm to jtran1988
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Aaron Rodgers is in the spread most of the time. Why not us?!
There's a difference between "spread" and "spread/option." Drew Brees is in the spread a lot as well. That is a pass heavy offense. I'm talking about the spread/option which is more run heavy.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:26 pm to FlyingTiger06
Well one of the announcers in a game earlier this year stated that Cam wants to run 75-80 plays a game. That is an uptempo offense.
Add that Grimes is a zone blocking coach, Les loves the option, we have gotten receiving TEs in 3 straight years, we already have 2 committed spread QBs in different years, and looking at two more who are all pretty mobile, it is a very high possibility.
It has been on my mind for a few weeks now. IMO, 2016 will have a ridiculous offense.
Add that Grimes is a zone blocking coach, Les loves the option, we have gotten receiving TEs in 3 straight years, we already have 2 committed spread QBs in different years, and looking at two more who are all pretty mobile, it is a very high possibility.
It has been on my mind for a few weeks now. IMO, 2016 will have a ridiculous offense.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:28 pm to FlyingTiger06
We recruited pocket passers like JJ and asked him to run a spread/option type.
Now we recruit spread/option guys and ask them to run I formation.
Now we recruit spread/option guys and ask them to run I formation.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:29 pm to bdnc
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Probably wishful thinking on your part but the problems with this team are much deeper than offensive schemes ...
The offensive woes are experience more than anything else I agree, but there are several things that point to a changing in the future.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:33 pm to Datbayoubengal
Cain't get much worse than 0'fer on third down.
The JV dive plays ain't working.
The JV dive plays ain't working.
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